Define God

Not all of us are as articulate and good looking as are you and I, Set.

How poignantly true in this case.

u prove by urself the evil u r for n to, worse perverts hypocrit inferiors life

as if sayin that i dont know what i say is makin ur life of being above slaves or that it would let u give justifications to urselves to take all my words rights
or that it could get u to the free way by killin logics base and fact

piece of dirty jewish woman, when a post is about what others are presently meaning, it is called objective talk so who denies the presence of else points is the retarded that wont ever recognize anything not even itself present words
so u, it is all about u from u without u being aware of, which prove that the talk about u is surely done for worse

Well, have a nice day, anyway.

prove it to me.

He just did...You asked him to prove evil was created for a reason, and not by God...

But you did not ask him to prove God to you...Which means you must think that evil exists and that God is not the cause of evil...

It didn't .... All it supposedly proved .. was that your God that supposedly created all things, created something else that created evil.

All I do is un create your creations that your God supposedly created.... and that statement is a very un created, created statment. :-)

interesting that god can create evil, but don't take responsibility for it.

if humans create evil, they spend eternity in hell.

Interesting how atheists say pretty much the same exact friggen things over and over man...really...it is so mentally draining to read it over and over...

This is just a subjective belief that you have...and is nothing else, whether truthful in actuality or non-truthful in actuality...

This is just a subjective belief that you have...and is nothing else, whether truthful in actuality or non-truthful in actuality...

There is nothing wrong with this at all...but how about we start calling a spade a spade? What is the big deal? And who are we trying to impress or fool?

This is what I believe...God did not really create evil, however he knew that it was going to exist...I do not think he created a Devil as in an entity that could withstand such profound perfectness of just ways, and would be destroyed instantaneously the moment it was created...If it did exist, it would seem it would be surviving under the authority of God somehow...and is either allowing it to exist to make it suffer forever, or can choose to destroy it at anytime...I will admit that it is possible that God is allowing it to exist, just to make it suffer forever for its actions...but then I think that there are more questions down that road, then there may have been before...I think that this may be where the first ever atheist came from...etc...and I think it is because of one who convinced another how God was wrong, but just did not get the big picture...I think that God gave humans a free individual will like he never gave anything else...I think he wants everyone to not suffer because of our actions, but in a part of being so great, entails us having these choices to make to show God and others that we appreciate the free choices we do and why, because humans understand what it means to freely do something because we want to do it, and are not instinctively compelled to do anything we do not wish to do upon our own...or have no choice...as in being sick, that is different than a freedom of choice...and I think that God said the ones who are born this way, and suffer this way, will be rewarded in ways that no one else simply can be...

I think that God has, and will take responsibility for it in ways that people can not even imagine...but to be simple for now, I think that God became a man, to understand what the nature of sin actually is...so that it knew and could empathize with why we fall short and sin and make wrong choices, and that is why he drank from the cup to save us all, and why he died to save us all, and why he said the penalty of sin is death...why he destroyed death and raised, and why people would want too...and why he descended into Hell...(his own grave, no reflection of conscious thought, for 3 days, and rescued people who were trapped in that world) and will come again to save mankind...

I think if humans created evil as in their own free option to doing what is morally correct, then I think that they can always be saved from their grave, and be with God if they also freely want to do it...and will not freely want to suffer forever, but only as long as one wishes to personally reject what they know is now true, and would want to see, and be free from, and be perfectly clean all over forever...

and once everyone is saved, and this evil nature is all gone, it will be destroyed so that it is never seen again...

What lies ahead and will we be happy? I am not really sure, but I would say that it is notions so much more beyond what we think is "fun" that we do not even understand we do not need a free individual choice to do morally wrong itself, opposed to just things in order to experience eternal beauty, forever and when we let go of this thinking, are existence, afterlife is limitless and infinite...in ways that no one can simply dream of...but people constantly keep trying to define this...because it is proof that they do not understand, and are not there yet, and only comes when one is ready for it...

That not even God himself is willing to alter...

What and why do you honestly think that you have just done "uncreate" a "created" statement like me and "my God"? Or "create" an "uncreated" statement like me and "my God"? If you "uncreate a created", then why do you think that I and "my God" are wrong? If you have "created an uncreated" statement then why do you think that I and "my God" are wrong?

A giant leap of logic here. You are now in mental mid air. God created an intelligent being who used his freedom of choice to rebel against his creator. While it may seem logical to you to malign God for allowing free will, the alternative would be a universe of puppets.Is this what you believe, or what someone has told you? The eventual consequence of sin (evil) is death. When you're dead, you're dead. No baking boiling, frying, or broiling.

God created man "in his image". What could that mean other than imparting, among other qualities, the exercise of free will? And what is free will without choice?

For God surely knew his creations would have the choice to rebel, just as he knows you and I have the choice of whether to heed Jesus words at John 17:3 "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."

Huh?

Good point...What would be free about God not allowing a Devil to kill itself rather than suffer forever? Free will and evil is there because God allowed humans to create evil out of his image if they wanted to do it...Just like we are light in his image...Could God have not known we would? I guess you could be correct...(can you point out for me where exactly in what I have said above gave you the impression that I do not think that there is free individual will?)

I believe that you are correct, I believe God did/does know we have the choice to rebel...I do not see a point to free will otherwise...I believe that this is correct also...but it means that the reason to have everlasting life and choose not rebel is because we freely want to accept Jesus Christ...and that does not necessarily mean what John had to say...One knows if they accept Jesus Christ and chooses not to rebel if they believe it, and believe in Jesus...and live like Jesus had...not if they have faith in what John had to say regarding it...

You can only know if you believe you do by being honest to God...Not by reciting what The Bible has to say...the Bible can only do so much...We must do the rest for ourselves if we want it, and want to believe it is true...

Faith is dead to try to have faith in what another man has said about Jesus unless you believe Jesus is God yourself...and freely want to believe it is true, and know why you do...that the Bible can not personally explain...for everyone...

The Bible can lead us there, but we must do the rest...and understand why we freely have faith that Jesus Christ is the Lord of Lords...and is the savior for us...

You seem to espouse the idea that God deliberately created the formation of evil ("out of his image"). That would make God complicit in the past 6000 years of human suffering and priestly excess. The god responsible for that is the same god who tempted Jesus in the 4th chapter of Matthew.

There is no such Devil figure that is physically powerful enough in any such way to try to torment God himself...

What is evil is man's own nature when they chose to be...

"The Devil" who tempted Jesus Christ was his own human nature once being God on Earth...

But since he was God on Earth, he did not give into temptations of thinking about eating when he wanted to fast...Or ending his life to end the suffering he was going to have to do...Or giving up faith in himself that he could make everything just, and just not let everything become corrupt...

And he prevailed and that is why we consider him God and a savior...

You said this to another in a different thread...but I thought this was important to bring up...

Hence, my last post up...Hence why Adam and Eve failed, hence why Jesus was the new Adam, hence why Jesus succeeded, hence why Jesus Christ is Lord, and savior...

He is determined to destroy the evil that Adam and Ever created...that were not worthy enough to be Gods...

Because he can withstand evil, and counteract it, and nothing else can...

Jesus Christ is Lord and savior because he has the will power that nothing else ever will...

We most certainly disagree on the nature of Jesus' relation to his creator.

As far as Jesus' temptation as the foremost of God's creation, Satan's motive had not changed from the one expressed in the book of Job. It is his aim to turn all away from the truth - including God's own firstborn.

There is no reason why Adam and Eve could not have succeded.