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Momma Angel wrote:

You will see someday when it will be illegal to worship Him. It will happen.

Momma that is the very reason why church and state should be separate - if they are separate government cannot make it illegal to worship as you chose.
When gov't is involved you end up with groups like the Taliban or the Soviet Communist party telling to you how to worship, or if you even can worship. Freedom of religion equals freedom from government interference- which equals keeping religion out of government.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Ros, it matters to me a lot. It matters that there are those that would try to eradicate God.

You don't mean eradicate God. What you really mean is eradicate words of worship from public property. Those are not the same thing.

Momma Angel wrote:

You will see someday when it will be illegal to worship Him. It will happen.

I don't want that to happen. And I would fight just as hard to see that it never becomes illegal to warship something, as I will fight to keep a reasonable separation of church and state.

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Momma Angel wrote:

It matters that there are those that would try to eradicate God. You will see someday when it will be illegal to worship Him. It will happen.

This is a lot of hooey. You are being brainwashed in your Bible classes and for one reason and one reason only... because you are not willing to think for yourself so you're letting false prophets think for you.

I'm still wondering why fifty-two evangelicals couldn't think to put the word God, or Jesus, or Savior, or Christ... at least somewhere in the law of the land if they so obviously wanted this country to be Christian.

Doesn't that seem weird? Whatever were those Founders thinking? Why wouldn't they have put a phrase about god on their money in the first place? And why didn't they insist on a reference to god being put into the allegiance every child was required to say? It doesn't make sense...

Don't you find it at all curious that the money didn't start out having IN GOD WE TRUST on it? OR why the pledge didn't have UNDER GOD until the 1950's? Do you think I'm lying about this? Go read a history book.

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Hooey? Think what you will. I have been told by many they wish to eradicate God. That is a true statement.

I definitely believe that someday it will be illegal to worship God. You don't have to believe it.

Has nothing to do with Bible classes. And, just for the record, Piffka, I am not brainwashed. I am a Christian. Just because I am a Christian does not mean brainwashed.

And I don't know why they didn't put it in there, Piffka. I wouldn't begin to try to guess.

I in no way thought you were lying about this. I have read plenty on this. I just said I don't want God taken out. So? That's me! That's what I believe.

Doesn't mean I am brainwashed, stupid, or anything else. It just means that is what I believe. PERIORD.

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For example, few Americans know that the nation's first Congress founded the American Bible Society and paid for the purchase and importation of 20,000 copies of Scripture for U.S. citizens. Even fewer Americans know that Thomas Jefferson was the founding chairman of the society.

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Thomas Jefferson never called himself a Diest as some claim, but did proclaim his belief in Christ when he stated: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator."

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On July 4, 1821, President John Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their constitutions,

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For those interested in a historical background:

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm

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Momma Angel wrote:

Just suppose that what is in this link is the way it was intended to be?

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

What if that was what was truly intended?

I am disappointed Momma Angel that you are still pushing that website which is so full of misleading information if not outright lies to which I recently commented.

mesquite wrote:

Re: the website you keep asking about, sorry MA, but it is completely off the mark of credibility.

1. The idea of a one-way wall to protect religious freedom is pure nonsense. If you do not first protect the government from religion, how can you expect to protect personal religious freedom from government?

2. There is so much nonsense misinformation and strawmen that it is not really worthy of comment, but I will give some.

nonsense - "Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation.

fact - there is no mention of God, Bible, Jesus, any Deity, or Christianity in the constitution.

fact - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

nonsense - The Constitution had 55 people work upon it, of which 52 were evangelical Christians.

fact - The article makes generous use of quotations from David Barton who is critiqued here by Baptists.

Critique of David Barton's "America's Godly Heritage"[/u]

nonsense - The Bible, before 1961, was used extensively in curriculum. After the Bible was removed, scholastic aptitude test scores dropped considerably.

That one just smells bad. My public education was prior to 1961 and I do not remember any use of the Bible in school. If by chance there were any supporting data, the correlation would probably resemble this.

I am curious. Did you even look at the link critiquing David Barton? For the life of me I cannot understand why some have such difficulty grasping the idea that in order to protect individual freedom to practice religion as one chooses, it is necessary to protect government from religion. That is the principle that our founding fathers understood so well.

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Mesquite,

Just because I disagree with you or you disagree with me does not mean it is lies. Since neither of us were actually there and talked to the founding fathers, I dare say we will never know exactly what they meant. Here is another link; though I doubt you'd accept much of it either.

http://www.christianindex.org/583.article

I think it's pretty safe to say that anyone can pull up anything off the internet to bolster their assertions.

I merely asked a question. What if it was that way? I didn't ask you to believe it. I just wanted to know if that was the way they intended it, what would you then have to say.

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if dropping the Bible from the curriculum caused SAT scores to fall, did it also cause the Civil Rights Act to be passed? or was Jerry Falwell correct when he said in 1964 that "It should be considered civil wrongs rather than civil rights."

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The Christian Index- Helping Georgia Baptists Share the Good News

Momma- Did it ever occur to you that the publication to which you posted the link might just be a teensy weensy bit biased in their approach? I would suspect that Georgia Baptists would score on the fundamentalist end of the religiosity scale!

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Phoenix,

Yes, I did. And, if you will notice in my previous post, I said I think it would be pretty safe to say that anyone could find anything on the internet to bolster their assertions?

I don't offer the links as 100% truth and fact. It's just information that we all have to decide upon for ourselves.

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MommaAngel - If you are concerned "that someday it will be illegal to worship God" then you should be supporting the separation of church and state.
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Have I shown you the graph of how the lack of pirates is causing global warming?

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Drewdad,

I also believe there will be a time there will be a one world government in place. So, it's not going to much matter about separation of church and state.

Drewdad, you have your beliefs. I have mine. We discuss them. You dont' have to accept mine and I don't have to accept yours.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Just suppose that what is in this link is the way it was intended to be?

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

What if that was what was truly intended?

Momma, this is at least the third thread you have posted this link in. It's been commented on and discounted each time. How often do you intend on having this same discussion? I'll go get the other responses and post them here for you, if you'd like....

I'm waiting for someone to post the 11 references to God in the Constitution. I just checked again and can't find a single one.

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I notice how Momma conveniently chose to ignore this post, which should make her see why her argument is faulty. Interesting how faith can blind people to facts...

Green Witch wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
You will see someday when it will be illegal to worship Him. It will happen.

Momma that is the very reason why church and state should be separate - if they are separate government cannot make it illegal to worship as you chose.
When gov't is involved you end up with groups like the Taliban or the Soviet Communist party telling to you how to worship, or if you even can worship. Freedom of religion equals freedom from government interference- which equals keeping religion out of government.

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And you wonder why people run from religion and God.

You are irrational and stubborn people. Green Witch and DrewDad both made the point that seperation of church and state ensures that you will be allowed to worship whomever or whatever you want.

This country was not founded on God. It was founded on solid principles that apply to all people. Not just Christians.

I couldn't care less if they remove the "In God We Trust" from our money because no matter what you do, you can't take God from my heart or my life.

You all see to think that when he disappears from public sight, he's gone for good and you are all doomed.

The truth of the matter is the Christians are the ones wanting to "take over" this country. If the Buddists wanted to have "In Budda We Trust" on our money, you'd flip out and say it wasn't fair to the Christians and why can't the Christians have THEIR god on the money.

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What a difference a day makes. I am in complete and total agreement with Bella!

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kickycan wrote:

What a difference a day makes. I am in complete and total agreement with Bella!

Cool.

Let's screw.

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Sounds good to me. Bring the toys, this is gonna be a wild one.

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Maybe this has been said already, but I don't know why In God We Trust should have been on money in the first place.

We are talking about legal tender, not relegious writings.

It would be the same thing as mentioning God on our drivers licenses, social security cards, insurance cards (like medicare/medicaid cards) and any other government paperwork.

Why not mention God on applications for government assisted mortgages.

This isn't a reason for a fight, it's just putting things to right.

What does God have to do with a transaction I'm engaging in like putting gas in my car?

I don't stand up in the middle of a church service and call out "I want to talk about that new bond issue, or let's discuss that new bill about making it illegal to drive a vehicle over a certain tonnage on public roads"

My buying a quart of milk doesn't have anything to do with my trust in God.

What was that about render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's
Render unto God what is God's

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