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I think its great that an omnipotent being needs so much help, and has people worrying about h/er/is/its name on money.

Smacks a little of graven images though.

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A common argument I have heard before hingehead.

The fact is there are those that wish to eradicate God from everything. That is just the plain and simple fact.

And, as far as I am concerned, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with standing up for what one believes in.

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Stevepax wrote:

God belongs in the church, not in the government.

Frankly, I doubt that "GOD" gives a damn about our money.

Trust in God all you wish, just do it on your own time. We're not trying to remove "GOD" from everything. Just from where it doesn't belong. If you want "GOD" in your kids school, send them to a religious school. I don't want my kids having to deal with your mysticism and your superstitions. Keep them to yourself please.

Very well said Stevepax

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sozobe wrote:

Momma and Mzpoe, what do you guys think about what has been pointed out regarding how recent the "In God We Trust" stuff is?

Do you think it's false?

Do you think the people who "snuck" it in there in the first place did the right thing?

Did you already know how recent it was?

Have you considered that taking it out would be a return to how things have been for most of our history? If so, what do you think about that.

Freedom to worship however one might choose is much different from the government directing every American to trust in God.

Thanks Soz. It would be interesting to not have this get pushed off the table. Those are FACTS. To my mind the "sneaking in" was actually the other way around, with activist "Christians" pushing their agenda onto a government that was doing fine without their interference.

<Nodding to StevePax who could as easily have provided these facts to this discussion as well.>

These relatively recent movements towards Christianizing this country is a far more likely expression of a "false prophet" since Jesus CLEARLY STATED that what was for Caesar (like money) should be his, and what was God's (like voicing one's belief) were for God. I think that putting In God We Trust on money is an ugly form of blasphemy and it should be stopped immediately.

As for having children recite a similar vow without the knowledge and understanding of what they're saying... it is a similar form of blasphemy and I wouldn't want my kids reciting that pledge.

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Momma Angel wrote:

A common argument I have heard before hingehead.

The fact is there are those that wish to eradicate God from everything. That is just the plain and simple fact.

And, as far as I am concerned, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with standing up for what one believes in.

There are plain and simple facts, Ms. Angel and you are not paying attention to them.

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Just suppose that what is in this link is the way it was intended to be?

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

What if that was what was truly intended?

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Momma- You believe in God, and I respect your right to believe. No one wants to eliminate God from "everything".

That was done in the bad old days in the Soviet Union, and was abominable. One of the wonders of a free society like the United States, is that people can believe in God or not, as their own conscience dictates.

Is it fair though, for the government, who is supposed to be for all the people, to insinuate an official trust in God, printed on currency, to all its citizens, whether they believe or not?

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"The Constitution had 55 people work upon it, of which 52 were evangelical Christians."

My, my... what a statement. If this were true, why is there absolutely no mention of God, let alone no mention of Jesus, Christ or Savior?

Please... let's get back to the original question of this thread...
these things which are being sneaked out of the law of the land were snuck in there in the first place. The Founders didn't put IN GOD WE TRUST on the money. They didn't put UNDER GOD in the pledge of allegiance.

Your entire "WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE" doesn't make a lot of sense when you check out the real facts.

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Mzpoe wrote:

I suppose that by doing things in small doses "they" feel like no one is paying attention, I AM!!!

Like putting "In God We Trust" *on* the currency in the first place. Or like *adding* "Under God" to the pledge. Those were small changes, and now most people think they were there from the beginning.

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rosborne979 wrote:

Mzpoe wrote:
I suppose that by doing things in small doses "they" feel like no one is paying attention, I AM!!!

Like putting "In God We Trust" *on* the currency in the first place. Or like *adding* "Under God" to the pledge. Those were small changes, and now most people think they were there from the beginning.

Only those who are ignorant of the facts think that way Ros.

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Stevepax wrote:

Only those who are ignorant of the facts think that way Ros.

Small changes *do* add up. And small changes were used to add God to "everything". It takes effort to sift the truth from history.

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Only those who are ignorant of the facts think that way Ros.

I would suspect that those people who were not around before these changes occurred, unless they were history buffs, would not realize that, for instance, "under God", in the Pledge of Allegiance, only began in the 1950's.

I was there to see the difference. Even then, as a kid, when my worldview had not yet coalesced, I understood that there was something inappropriate about that phrase being added.

What I would do in school, when they recited the Pledge, was to stand silently as those words were spoken.

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14And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Why do you suppose that Jesus did not say "Caesar's coins must be inscribed with a religious motto, lest the people lose faith," an oversight, perhaps?

What is it that we are supposed to trust God to do for us? Protect us from crazed terrorists? Avert hurricanes? Feed the hungry, shelter the poor? Give us good advice on how to live, such as condoning slavery and not allowing women in positions of authority (is that why we've never had a woman president?) Or do we trust God to allow things to happen exactly as they would if he wasn't around?

Do you think that without government support God would just fade out of existence, or what? You don't have much faith in him, do you?

Is that what you really fear?

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Phoenix,

Hi girl! How are you? Good to see you.

I understand your position. But, I do believe there are those that would eradicate God from everything. I know for a fact there are.

These things were there when I was growing up so of course, for me, it would be hard to let them go.

But, for me, we are all under God. Not just our nation, but the whole world. So, of course, I wish these things to stand.

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What if I'm a Muslim living in America? Do I want "In God We Trust" on my money?!? Do I want to have "God Bless America" sung to me?!? Do I want to recite the Pledge of Alligence and say I'm "under god"?!? Do I want all these things for my children?!?

It's so selfish to be mad at the government for looking out for the rights and freedoms of everyone.

Just an FYI:
The people who orchestrated 9/11 were led by religion and I will never forget what they did. Sad

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Momma Angel wrote:

I understand your position. But, I do believe there are those that would eradicate God from everything. I know for a fact there are.

Do you think that anyone can ever eradicate God from your head. Why would *anything*, other than *that* matter to you at all.

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If those lily livered liberals try and take the "god" out of "goddammit" I'm going to be mighty pissed off.

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I understand your position. But, I do believe there are those that would eradicate God from everything. I know for a fact there are.

Momma- I am sure that there are. There are people from every walk of life, who would want to deprive others of their freedom, and force them to believe as they do, whether they are religious or not.

Keeping God where the concept belongs, in homes, churches, and private gatherings amongst like minded people, and out of government, is not the same as eradicating God.

You say that there are those who would eradicate God from everything. I say that there are those who would want to force God on people who have no interest in the concept.

IMO, both extremes are WRONG.

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LionTamerX,

That is just rude. Using God's name as a profanity is just rude and blasphemous.

Ros, it matters to me a lot. It matters that there are those that would try to eradicate God. You will see someday when it will be illegal to worship Him. It will happen.

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Where did Mzpoe go? I wonder what she would think of this?

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1315471#1315471

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