scary little changes

Setanta,

Anything to not apologize for a mistake? If I didn't say I believe, you would probably accuse me of saying "I know" and jump on that too. So what? Don't read what I post then.

Phoenix,

A common misperception. The New Testament does not supersede the Old Testament. The laws that were done away with in the Old Testament were the laws of ritual and hygiene. The Ten Commandments, etc., are still in force, as least that's what I believe from what I have been taught.

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Momma- In my understanding, to Christians, the bible was written by God. Right? If so, how do Christians explain the fact that that they pick what they want from the OT, and discard what they don't want?

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The more I read MommaA's link to the site, the more I see whacko conclusions drawn in biblical interpretations. That site claims that Exodus 21:22-25 calls for the same punishment for someone causing the death of a baby in the womb as the same punishment for someone committing murder. This is not what that passage says at all:

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Exodus 21:12 "Whoever strikes a person mortaly shall be put to death."

Exodus 21:22-25 "When people who are fighting injur a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follow, the one repsonsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, payin as much as the judges determine. If amy harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."

NRSV

Murder is punished by capital punishment, the cause of a miscarriage is a fine to be determined by the judges, further harm to the woman results in equivalent harm to the perp.

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Phoenix,

Actually, we do not say the Bible was written by God. We believe the Bible was God-breathed and God-inspired. I can understand how some would think that things are picked and discarded, as you say, but that is not the case.

Perhaps this can help explain it better than I can:

http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-old-new-testaments.html

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J_B,

Whacko conclusions? The passage evidently says something to you other than it says to someone else. Should they think your conclusion whacko because you interpret it differently?

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Momma Angel, do you interpret 21:12 to be the same as 21:22-25?

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Getting back to 'scary little changes'... this thread was started by someone who feels that there are a number of 'scary little changes' that demonstrate attempts by non-Christians to remove the Christian God from the lives of Americans in an ever increasing secularism. Many of the responses have referred to the 'scary little changes' that non-Christian see as the ever increasing attempt by conservative Christians to force Christianity into the lives of all Americans in an ever increasing theocracy.

Quite the irony, eh?

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J_B Wrote:

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Momma Angel, do you interpret 21:12 to be the same as 21:22-25?

21:12 is speaking of intentional killing. 21:22-25 is speaking of an altercation, so no, I don't feel they can be interpreted the same.

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Momma Angel wrote:

J_B Wrote:

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Momma Angel, do you interpret 21:12 to be the same as 21:22-25?

21:12 is speaking of intentional killing. 21:22-25 is speaking of an altercation, so no, I don't feel they can be interpreted the same.

From your link

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Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult.

I call that a whacko interpretation.

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Because the penalty is different? What about manslaughter and premeditated murder? Don't we have different punishments for different degrees of crime?

Does that mean that we place any less value on a human life because of the punishment?

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What? Can you show me where 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder and how this clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult.

This isn't my claim, MA, it's the claim from your link. What does manslaughter and premedition have to do with their claim?

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J_B,

I had to go to another version of the Bible and check on some translations.

Ok, in the Bible version from that link, it says ".....cause the death....." My Bible says....and she gives birth prematurely...." so it does not appear to be the same thing.

So, I have to agree with you here. There appears to be some misinterpretation going on. I am glad you pointed this out and I am going to question the source about this.

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Momma Angel wrote:

So, I have to agree with you here. There appears to be some misinterpretation going on. I am glad you pointed this out and I am going to question the source about this.

How about those other links of yours about "Myth of Separation" that use Robert Barton's bogus quotations of the founding fathers? Are you going to question them too?

I never did see a reply to my question,"Why is it that the side promoting no separation needs to rely on deception to make their point?"

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1704378#1704378

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Mesquite,

I did answer you back then. Anyone can find anything to support their assertions. And once again, I NEVER SAID THAT ARTICLE WAS THE TRUTH NOR DID I SAY THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS THE TRUTH. (Caps for emphasis only - not yelling. When I yell, I bold it too! Laughing

) I just asked a question. Geesh! Sweetie, how many times do I have to say that? I was just trying to get a question answered and many answered and did so quite honestly.

And as far as the side promoting separation relying on deception? Hmmmm, I think you will find that most honestly can be attributed to all sides concerned. I mean that in the respect that some would consider those for separation posting some things others may consider propoganda. It's up to everyone to look into the stuff and decide for themselves.

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It is hardly cosistent with honest investigation to decide for oneself whether a deliberate falsification is honest "for one's self." If someone deliberately lies about what someone wrote, that's false, it's a false basis upon which to purport the truth, and that is true, without regard for what one may decide for one's self.

This is why you constantly get busted when you trot out your feeble "this is what i believe" poop--some things are not a matter of belief, but demonstrably true or demonstrably false.

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And another reason why I don't usually visit links.

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The most useful information one finds in such fora are names--of people, of places, of events. Such data are useful for performing one's own searches, and are the kinds of tools which were available to us long before there were any world wide web . . .

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Setanta,

So nice of you to keep spreading peace and joy.

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MA; we are interested in what you have to say. Why should we muddle through links that you know are full of empty reasonings?

Show us how your beliefs make sense.

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MOAN, so nice of you to ignore that my interlocutor twice made slighting personal remarks before accusing me of making personal remarks . . .

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