I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Yes, this is called the trinity. One God. A triune God. The three co-exist in one. I believe that is what Loveislikearose is referring to.
You're right on the money, Prism. The concept of the Trinity is hardly Biblical. It's a latecomer to the theological debate and its antecedents are undoubtedly pagan.
Prism,
If you would respost the question, I will address it. Sorry I missed it.
Merry Andrew,
The Bible does not say Trinity in it, no. However, there are many verses in the Bible referring to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirity.
There is but one God. There are three facets of God. I can give you verses to back up these three facets if you wish.
How are you doing Merry Andrew?
Welcome to the forum, prism. I'm sure you will have fun here.
When it comes to the trinity I imagine Jesus, near death, saying:
'Oh me! Oh my! Why have I forsaken myself?'
MA; prism has made only three posts since joining a2k yesterday. Two of them were in this thread. The question she asked and was:
prism wrote:...so I guess my final question is, how can something even a Pope doesn't understand, something he calls a mystery, be a central doctrine?
Good question, eh?
Prism,
I am so sorry. I just got up and I think my brain is still a big foggy yet!
Ok, your question. Well, I don't know why the pope has a problem with it. I don't. I think I understand it pretty well. I'm no expert, but, I don't find it such a mystery.
Merry Andrew wrote:You're right on the money, Prism. The concept of the Trinity is hardly Biblical. It's a latecomer to the theological debate and its antecedents are undoubtedly pagan.
The antecedants of a contention of virgin birth, as well as the execution/death/resurrection dodge, and the symbolic cannibalism of "divine" servies are equally undoubtedly pagan, and derive directly from Mithraism, the most popular cult in the Roman empire at the time of the rise of christiantiy. December 25th was sacred to the Mithras cult, as well, and celebrated the birth of their "savior."
Excellent points, Merry Andrew and Setanta.
Merry Andrew wrote:You're right on the money, Prism. The concept of the Trinity is hardly Biblical. It's a latecomer to the theological debate and its antecedents are undoubtedly pagan.
Ah, and therein lies the historical foundation of Uniterianism.
J_B,
As I stated earlier, there are verses in the Bible that reference God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spririt.
It is one God. Not three.
Well, if they're from Paul you can keep them.
The Holy Spirit is mentioned in Genesis 1:2 as well, is that the resurrected Christ too?
Well, I think they are in Paul and a few other of the Books of the New Testament.
If Christ had not been born, lived, and crucified in the Old Testament, how could He be resurrected?
exactly, the reference to the Holy Spirit does not mean the resurrencted Christ until you get to Paul's manipulations.
What you feel are Paul's manipulations, you mean? Not everyone believes they are manipulations. :wink:
You either believe
A) Paul was inspired to add 3/4 of the christian dogma himself by Deity.
b) He invented it.
Is there a 3rd option here?
neologist wrote:one of the first things I noticed was the absence of a collection plate.
bucket? envelope? tax exempt gift aid scheme?
they must extract the money somehow or they lose all claim to be christian.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote: neologist wrote:one of the first things I noticed was the absence of a collection plate.
bucket?
box
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:envelope?
no
Steve (as 41oo) wrote: tax exempt gift aid scheme?
Tax exempt? of course. Scheme? only if it's legal.
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
they must extract the money somehow or they lose all claim to be christian.
No organization runs without material support. JWs do not keep track of gifts or gift givers. I'm sure there are other organizations that may do the same. Never saw a church that was, though.
