Don't drop prejuduced crap, and I will happily eschew you. And you repeated the silly lie for some odd reason:
"3) and I see now that: You're afraid to face that it is a Muslim power grab, because you think that entitles people to kill all Muslims? That's messed up. No wonder you are so hellbent against admitting the truth about some things."
Huh? Like I said, you are delusional.
Now, to try to actually talk some sense instead of prejudiced ravings.
Merry, you said something about France reaping....you seem to have some idea about what is going on?
Do you think this is something France has done badly, especially, or the problems of new immigrants that tend to happen in many countries?
I have been reading the Beebs, trying to get some background.
here is some of it:
"France's disaffected Muslim businessmen
France has been stunned by rioting in low-income suburbs dominated by immigrants. But ghetto youths are not the only French people of foreign origin to feel sidelined.
As part of a series on French Muslims, Henri Astier spoke to two businessmen about their perception of prejudice against them.
Mr Sabeg is the only Arab head of a large French corporation
Yazid Sabeg is a rarity among France's business elite. He is North African. And those two facts, he believes, are not unconnected.
"A lot of people don't like my face," says the 55-year-old industrialist.
Whether or not corporate France is "viscerally racist", as Mr Sabeg contends, it certainly lacks diversity.
The chief executive of CS, a big communications group, he is the only person of North African origin to head a leading French company.
His father, an Algerian worker, came to France in 1952. Young Yazid studied hard and worked as a civil servant before setting up his own finance company.
In certain circles the Algerian war continues
Yazid Sabeg
In the early 1990s Mr Sabeg took over CS, a contractor in the sensitive field of secure communications for defence and aerospace.
The takeover met with fierce resistance. "The establishment, notably the military establishment, did not like it," he recalls.
In 1991 intelligence services wrote a scathing report about Mr Sabeg, based on false rumours that he was financing Algerian militants.
Investigative journalist Christophe Deloire - who uncovered the report - says the rumours about Mr Sabeg were malicious.
"It looks as if somebody tried to sink him," Mr Deloire said....."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4405790.stm
"The other side of Aulnay
By Joseph Winter
BBC News website, Aulnay-sous-Bois
After a week of riots during which a Renault showroom was destroyed along with the hundreds of cars inside, the Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois has become known around the world as a place of violence and poverty.
Aulnay-sous-Bois is a town of contrasts
And yet just a mile or so from where the menacing, dilapidated tower blocks have seen nightly clashes between angry youths armed with petrol bombs and the police, is the Vieux Pays (Old country) district of Aulnay which has the feel of picture-postcard France.
People walk down narrow, tree-lined streets, past quaint houses with wooden shutters and window boxes full of carefully-tended flowers to pick up their baguettes from the bakers.
Teacher Elisabeth Jallon told the BBC News website that Aulnay used to be a quiet little country town until it was swallowed up by urban sprawl in the 1960s and the tower blocks were built.
In the town's richer neighbourhoods, some understand the frustration and anger of the rioters but the patience of others ran out long ago.
"It's been a week now, it's too much. They should send in the police or even the army to stamp it right out," said one man.
"It's crazy," said another. "Aulnay used to be a beautiful town and they've wrecked it."
"All this only means our taxes will have to go up to pay for the damage," said an old woman taking her poodle for a walk.
None of them wanted to give their name for fear of reprisals.
'Separate world'
They all vehemently denied there was any racism in Aulnay but walking around the town's richer areas like Vieux Pays and especially Aulnay Sud, divided by the railway lines from the riot-hit areas, it is noticeable that there are far fewer black and Arabic faces.
There could be war - if they come to burn my car, I'll be waiting with my gun
Paul Coste
This overlap of ethnic, economic and physical divisions only makes it more difficult for the different groups who live in Aulnay to understand each other's problems and work together to solve them.
One woman said that she used to live on the "hot" estates.
"It's a different world over there - completely separate," she said.
While most of the violence - except for the burning of the Renault showroom - has been taking place on the estates, the effects are being felt across the town.
Some are now afraid to go out at night, while one man lost a day's work clearing out his garage so he could park his car there in case the trouble spreads.
The woman walking her poodle said she was worried that the firefighters and ambulance drivers would be too busy having stones thrown at them as they tried to put out the fires to attend to other emergency calls.
"I live opposite the police station and I haven't slept in the past week because of all the sirens," said another woman.
Local people have been calling for an end to the riots
Paul Coste, 52, who has lived in Aulnay all his life, had to drive around the town to find a cash machine which was still working after those near his house had been wrecked.
His 84-year-old mother lives on the estates and is too afraid to go out on her own, so he was taking her shopping - once he managed to get hold of some money.
"There could be war," he said. "If they come to burn my car, I'll be waiting with my gun."
One of the solutions he wanted was to tighten immigration control, saying it was a shame that the rioters were born in France "or they could be sent back home, where they wouldn't be allowed to cause trouble like this"......"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4410980.stm
So, this is talking about the common story of prejuduice and economic troubles for immigranys in new countries....it seems common to many countries...why France, and why now?
Some French press reactions:
" Last Updated: Friday, 4 November 2005, 14:29 GMT
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French press searches for solutions
By Sebastian Usher
BBC world media correspondent
France has been shocked by the outbreak of violence
After eight days of violence, the rioting by youths in the run-down suburbs around Paris still dominates the front pages of French newspapers.
Several newspapers now focus on the plight of the communities caught up in the violence.
"Enough is Enough" is the headline in Aujourd'hui En France/Le Parisien. It says that the "frustration of the local community has reached its limit".
The picture on the front page of Le Figaro shows people trying to get on with their normal lives, walking past burnt-out cars as they shop in a market in one of the suburbs hit by the violence.
"The local community can't take it any more," the paper says.
France Soir reports that the people in the suburbs "can no longer accept being held hostage by the violence of the local gangs".
In Liberation, commentator Patrick Sabatier writes: "We must not abandon entire areas to the violence of a minority which ruins first and foremost the lives of those living in the suburbs."
He says the government must give the local officials, mediators and organisations "the means - financial above all else - to ensure order, if it's to have any chance of lasting".
'Right-wing fringe'
But for Le Monde, the failure to control the riots in the mainly immigrant communities in the Paris suburbs is down to "disorderly leadership" at the top.
It accuses Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy of trying to appeal to the "most right-wing fringe" in his words and actions - and it charges President Chirac with not acting swiftly enough in calling for calm.
It also criticises Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin for keeping "silent for five days" at the start of the crisis.
"It is time to deal seriously with a serious crisis," the paper concludes.
For Le Figaro, the root of the problem lies with what it calls a "policy of immigration without control".
A commentator in the paper, Alexis Brezet, says the "urgent necessity is to control the influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal".
If not, he warns, "in 15 years, it will be the children of those arriving today who will set fire to the suburbs"."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4407456.stm
First mention of religious disaffection:
"Headscarf defeat riles French Muslims
Asma Boubker resents having to take off her scarf at the school gate
Rioting in a Paris suburb has highlighted discontent among French youths of foreign origin, many of whom define themselves through Islam.
As part of a series on French Muslims, the BBC News website's Henri Astier reports on the impact of the headscarf ban.
Every morning headteacher Genevieve Piniau stands guard at the gate of the Lycee Robert Doisneau in Corbeil-Essonnes near Paris.
She is there to ensure no rules are broken, including a ban on Muslim headscarves and other "conspicuous" religious symbols in French state schools. Dozens of girls duly take off their hijabs as they approach the gate.
But when one student tries to sneak past Ms Piniau with hers still on, the headteacher immediately spots her: "Off with it!"
Despite this rare incident, Ms Piniau says the ban is now widely accepted.
The collective baring of heads at the school gate testifies to that. However the acceptance is often grudging.
I said I had the deepest respect for their faith, but did not want to know what their religion was
Genevieve Piniau
headteacher
Asma Boubker, 16, says she feels targeted as a Muslim: "Christians have crucifixes, why can't we have headscarves?"
But other Muslim girls support the ban. "Some teachers would not see beyond the scarf and judge us - it's best if we have to take it off," says Siham, 15.
Rama Kourouma, 18, agrees that religion should not be advertised in schools. "Faith is in the heart," she smiles......"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4395934.stm
Hmmm....I don't "get" the anti headscarf thing, thay are not a problem in state schools here.....but no reason to riot!
This sounds lkike the sort of **** that sparks riots in tense situations everywhere....sad and so silly...happened in oz recently when two black kids died rubbing from police:
"The deaths that set Clichy ablaze
The deaths began unrest which spread beyond Clichy
The riots which erupted in France's African and Arab communities in late October began after news of the deaths of two young men in the Paris suburb of Clichy.
Feelings were already running high over remarks by Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy that "scum" were behind urban violence.
Anger grew after a tear gas grenade hit a mosque in the first weekend of rioting.
When Zyed Benna, 17, and Bouna Traore, 15, climbed into an electrical sub-station in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois on 27 October, they apparently knew they were taking a risk.
The sole survivor of the incident, who climbed into the station with the two teenagers and was badly injured in the incident, was quoted by police as saying they had all been aware of the danger, which was clearly signposted at the station.
They thought they were being chased but they were not
Francois Molins
Local prosecutor
According to this survivor's testimony, the three panicked after finding themselves near the scene of an apparent break-in as police officers arrived to investigate.
It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their French-born descendants where there was already friction between residents and police.
A peaceful protest march last Saturday - during which one hooded youth told French TV that the youths' deaths had been "not normal" while other protesters, including relatives of the dead, wore T-shirts marked "dead for nothing" - did little to dispel the rumours.
'Because the others ran'
According to French police reports, there was no chase and the three youths entered the electrical sub-station as a result of a tragic misunderstanding........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399070.stm
