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Islamic Propensity For Terrorism (Parisian Riots)

 
 
Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 11:02 am
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Disabled woman set on fire as Paris riots spread

· Passengers caught in blaze as youths ambush bus
· New attacks thwart hopes that troubles may be over

Jon Henley Paris
Saturday November 5, 2005
The Guardian


A 56-year-old physically disabled woman was being treated in the burns unit of a Paris hospital yesterday after the bus she was travelling in was set alight by youths in the northern suburb of Sevran.
The incident was the ugliest yet in the violence that has convulsed the suburbs of Paris during the past week. Last night, fresh attacks were reported in two dormitory towns outside the French capital where youths set fire to cars and two buildings.

There were also signs of the violence spreading beyond Paris, with arson attacks reported earlier in the day in Rouen in northern France, Dijon in the east and Marseille in the south.
Officials nonetheless expressed hope yesterday that the country's worst urban unrest in a decade could be on the wane. But on Thursday alone, more than 500 cars were torched in the Paris region, an increase on previous episodes.

Police said the Sevran attack left the woman with 30% burns. The number 15 bus had just left the town's railway station at about 9.30pm when it was forced to a halt by burning rubbish bins strewn across the road. Two hooded youths forced open the front door, emptied jerry cans of petrol over the floor and on the front-seat passenger and the driver, then threw lighted rags inside.

The driver, who helped the woman off the bus as other passengers escaped through a rear door, was taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation. "We are treating this as attempted manslaughter," a police spokesman said.


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Immigrant Rioting Flares in France for Ninth Night

By CRAIG S. SMITH
Published: November 5, 2005
AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, France, Nov. 4 - France's worst urban violence in a decade exploded for a ninth night on Friday as bands of youths roamed the immigrant-heavy, working-class suburbs of Paris, setting fire to dozens of cars and buildings while the government struggled over the violence and the underlying frustrations fueling it.

Remy de la Mauviniere/Associated Press
A car burned early Saturday in Pierrefitte-sur-Seine, just north of Paris, during a night of rioting.
The unrest, which has also spread to other parts of France with large North African and Arab populations, prompted the American and Russian governments to warn citizens visiting Paris to avoid its poor, outlying neighborhoods. France reduced train service to Charles de Gaulle Airport after two trains became targets of rioters earlier in the week.

A handicapped woman riding a bus in the Sevran suburb suffered burns over 20 percent of her body Thursday night after two youths doused the inside of the bus with a flammable liquid and set it on fire. Youths have also burned cars in Dijon, in the east, and in Marseille, in the south.

The violence has isolated the country's tough-talking, anticrime interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, whom some people blame for having worsened the situation with his blunt statements about "cleaning out" the "thugs" from those neighborhoods.

France has been grappling for years with growing unrest among its second- and third-generation immigrants, mostly North African Arabs, who have faced decades of high unemployment and marginalization. Critics say Mr. Sarkozy's confrontational approach has polarized the communities and the government.

"It's a game that has been started between the youth and Sarkozy," said a French-Algerian man wearing Chanel sunglasses outside Aulnay's mosque, in a converted warehouse. He would give his name only as Nabil. "Until he quits," he said, "it's not going to get better."

France's foreign minister, Philippe Douste-Blazy, warned Thursday that France risked losing the integration battle in immigrant neighborhoods to radicalization of religious-based movements (diplomatic code for Islamic extremism).


Surprise, surprise. The most destructive rioting in recent French history, coupled with savage attacks on innocents (a disabled woman), and let's see just who we can thank for this social phenomenon. The last paragraph there sums up everything. (i.e. France must tread carefully in hopes of appeasing Islamic youth or they will turn to terrorism) Now the Islamic subculture is using the threat of terrorism to accomplish their goals.

Where is the constructive, formative quality in this demographic? The one that says that working hard, forming enterprise, and building business are the keys to advancement. NO! These dregs decide to trash their own neighborhoods, torch bystanders, shoot at police, burn their own cars, basically engage in chaotic terrorism. There are millions of desperately poor in Brazil, but there are no images of mass arson, violence, and mayhem coming out of Rio de Janeiro. China & South East Asia are the most densely populated swaths on the planet, home to billions of impoverished, but where is the excuse for mindless mayhem.

Liberals can excuse the arsonists, rioters, and would-be murderers, all they want with "they grew up in hardship" whines. We all grew up in hardship. But most of us put our heads down and try the best we can to make something of ourselves, not wait around for the government to spoonfeed us, and then riot, pillage, or attend terrorist training camps when it cannot.

This religion teaches its adherents to seperate themselves from progress, to abhor "infidels", to oppress the rights of women, censure all social behavior according to ancient Muslim dogma, to demand the inclusion of religious superstition and bile into modern government, to support terrorists and criminals - if not outright, then in clear solidarity - ostracize themselves in the name of religious enlightenment, and then these adherents burn and riot when they are not seamlessly included (catered to) by the cultures they oppose.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 11:54 am
Goodness, Lucatian. Who taught you to hate with such zesty enthusiasm?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 01:53 pm
Tarring an entire culture with so broad a brush, it seems to me, is neither useful nor productive. That the current Parisian rioters happen to be Islamic is an interesting point of identification, nothing more.

I well recall the race riots in the US following the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and, again later, following the exoneration of the brutalizers of Rodney King in California. There were enough people who cried, "Look! That's the how they [meaning African-Americans] act." The point, of course, wasn't that the rioters were African-Americans. The point was that this was a subset of Americans who felt utter frustration, despair and rage at the unequal treatment they had been receiving from the larger majority culture. The specific incident which sparked the riots (assasination, brutalization, whatever) was no more than the otherwise innocent match which lit the powder-keg of stored-up resentments. I think something quite similar is occuring in France right now.

The French, historically, have been incredibly chauvinistic. Their idea of "integration", apparently, is to forbid Muslim school girls to wear anything that would identify them as Muslim. I suspect that the unfortunate accidental electrocution of those two adolescents who were fleeing from the police has really very little to do with the rioting. As in the US riots, it was merely the match that touched off the stored-up black powder of resentments.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 02:41 pm
The problem with fundamentalism is that they are prone to violence as they literally take an outdated text as truth. The said text is not only outdated but fraught with contradiction and offered without proof.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 03:52 pm
talk72000 wrote:
The problem with fundamentalism is that they are prone to violence as they literally take an outdated text as truth. The said text is not only outdated but fraught with contradiction and offered without proof.

Why do you hate Christians?
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Instigate
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:10 pm
They're rioting in Denmark too. Looks like theyre trying to establish their own little state.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:11 pm
quoting from this article in the Washington Post today,    
As Youth Riots Spread Across France, Muslim Groups Attempt to Intervene


In Sevran, about halfway between Paris and the airport, Muslim leaders have been meeting inside a former supermarket that is now the Grand Mosque of Sevran. There, they are plotting a strategy to curb the violence in a town of 47,000 people where a large percentage of the population is Muslim.

Bekkay Merzak, secretary general of the Sevran Muslim Cultural Association, said he feared the rioting was damaging the image of Muslims generally. The rampaging youths are "harming Islam and themselves," Merzak said. "They don't know their own religion."

Each day, Merzak dispatches a cadre of young volunteers door to door to plead the association's case: Young people, stay away from the violence; parents, keep your children in the house at night.

"I talk about how our religion condemns these acts," said Amin Benabderradname, 25, who had a thick black beard and wore an embroidered white cap on his shaved head. During his rounds on Wednesday, he said, he encountered several teenagers filling two large sacks with rocks for the coming night. Benabderradname said he persuaded them to surrender their weapons to him.

Many youths in Sevran and elsewhere have pursued a dangerous nightly game of hide-and-seek with police officers and firefighters. Police said the attackers' tactics began shifting Thursday night, with fewer incidents of large gangs confronting police and more incidents of small, fast-moving teams setting fires.

Sevran residents said the attackers would ignite one car, and then, before firefighters could douse the flames, move on to torch another vehicle several streets away. Their mobility leaves remnants of destruction scattered throughout the city.

Muslim leaders who have been talking with young rioters say that many are driven by anger at the government over the neglect of the housing projects, where unemployment and crime are rampant. A statement by Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy that rioters were "scum" particularly incensed many of them.

They are also frustrated at job and social discrimination against the neighborhoods' residents, many of whom were born in France to immigrant parents.

While many residents share the indignation of the young people, they are expressing increasing anger at what the rioters are doing. Many of the burned-out cars and businesses are owned by local people. The loss of government facilities lowers the quality of life.

"Fed up!" read the headline in Friday's suburban editions of the newspaper Le Parisien. Religious, business, civic and government leaders in several of the hardest-hit towns, including Sevran, are planning demonstrations this weekend to protest the violence and appeal to the youths to stop.


Full article
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username
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:20 pm
You got it nailed, Andrew.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:20 pm
<looks at watch>

It's Caliphate time again.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:31 pm
most likely pubescence.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:35 pm
Where I live, they drink beer and have sex in the backseat of their parent's cars.
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:39 pm
Lash wrote:
Where I live, they drink beer and have sex in the backseat of their parent's cars.


Islamic rioters drink beer and boink in cars in your neighborhood ?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:41 pm
No. They torch disabled people and burn down neighborhoods.

The pubes boink and brew. The pubes.
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:45 pm
Power to the pubes !
They could teach those nasty rioters a thing or two.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:45 pm
Make love, not smoldering apartments!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:47 pm
So ...that would mean that American black people also have this unfortunate propensity, would it?

As opposed to there having been (as in Paris) issues of discrimination and poverty etc?


So rioting is a racial/religious issue, not a human one?

Kinda like Jewish people have a propensity to secretly rule the world with secret financial cabals?

Are Islamic people similarly deserving of a nice, neat, "final solution"?


Oh, I remember, you actually do believe in genocide, I believe, Lusatian?
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:48 pm
Why can't we all just swill beer and get it on in backseats ?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 04:53 pm
Protestant pubes rebel discreetly, get preggers and marry at 18 so they can divorce at 27. Muslims can't get divorced so they riot. Obviously muslims need more decadent western behaviors available to them. Make love not war as we used to say.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 05:05 pm
<mulling the condition of my back seat>

Looks like more than teenaged boredom.

WHY PARIS IS BURNINGNormally, nothing dramatic would have happened, as the police have not been present in that suburb for years.

The problem came when one of the inhabitants, a female busybody, telephoned the police and reported the thieving spree taking place just opposite her building.

. A brief chase took place in the street, and two of the youths, who were not actually chased by the police, sought refuge in a cordoned-off area housing a power pylon. Both were electrocuted.

Once news of their deaths was out, Clichy was all up in arms.

With cries of "God is great," bands of youths armed with whatever they could get hold of went on a rampage and forced the police to flee.

That Allah. Gotta love a god, who approves of stealing and killing police.*"occupied territories." By midweek, the riots had spread to three of the provinces neighboring Paris, with a population of 5.5 million.

[For Caliphate-watchers, clue #1.]

But who lives in the affected areas? In Clichy itself, more than 80 percent of the inhabitants are Muslim immigrants or their children, mostly from Arab and black Africa. In other affected towns, the Muslim immigrant community accounts for 30 percent to 60 percent of the population. But these are not the only figures that matter. Average unemployment in the affected areas is estimated at around 30 percent and, when it comes to young would-be workers, reaches 60 percent.

In these suburban towns, built in the 1950s in imitation of the Soviet social housing of the Stalinist era, people live in crammed conditions, sometimes several generations in a tiny apartment, and see "real French life" only on television.

[Hmmm, Frenchy. That's a rather messy backyard you got there...]

The French used to flatter themselves for the success of their policy of assimilation, which was supposed to turn immigrants from any background into "proper Frenchmen" within a generation at most.

That policy worked as long as immigrants came to France in drips and drops and thus could merge into a much larger mainstream. Assimilation, however, cannot work when in most schools in the affected areas, fewer than 20 percent of the pupils are native French speakers.

France has also lost another powerful mechanism for assimilation: the obligatory military service abolished in the 1990s.

As the number of immigrants and their descendants increases in a particular locality, more and more of its native French inhabitants leave for "calmer places," thus making assimilation still more difficult.

In some areas, it is possible for an immigrant or his descendants to spend a whole life without ever encountering the need to speak French, let alone familiarize himself with any aspect of the famous French culture.

[Whoops. A boo-boo.]

The result is often alienation. And that, in turn, gives radical Islamists an opportunity to propagate their message of religious and cultural apartheid.

Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the "millet" system of the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.

[Clue #2, and whoops, as well.]

In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist "hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheiks.

Clue #3 and whoops extraordinaire.]

The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.

Holy ****!

A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching message: The French authorities should keep out.

"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

French toast, anyone...?

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I didn't bring the whole article. This is serious. I see why the no hajib wearing law, now. Too little, too late.

Or, as dys suggested, make them get divorces.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2005 05:07 pm
Instigate wrote:
They're rioting in Denmark too. Looks like theyre trying to establish their own little state.


Who's "they"? Do you really see the Muslims of the world as some sort of homogeneous group? In Iraq, Sunnis hate Shiia and they both hate the Kurds. Alawites (Sp.?) are treated as second-class citizens everywhere except in Syria, and that only because al-Assad's family belongs to that sect. The idea that Muslims want to set up an Islamic state anywhere in Europe is beyond ludicrous. It is part of the same mind-set which gave us the notion of 'the yellow peril' back in the 1930s when racism and ethnic hate was running rampant everywhere.

Some of these posts would be hilarious if the situation weren't so dire. The French have made a very lumpy bed; now they have to sleep in it.
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