Atheists... Your life is pointless

Spendi is better understood from the flank, as opposed to head on...

Oh! I knew there was something wrong with spendi, but hadn't realized it until now why I rarely understood what he was saying. Thanks for that clarification.

if Einstein never questioned Newton's Laws of Physics, he would never have come up with his law of relativity, that has been proved...

And if his dad hadn't got the leg over on the particular night he did and had had a wank instead do you think relativity would have been lost to us?

Not an atheist, but I have to say this. You miss the point. Atheists do what is right because they feel they should, not out of fear or torment. Plus, you are completely ignoring the concept of a social contract, which by definition, decides ethics.

Pointless post.

I don't see how atheists can embrace the concept of "right".

Any conformity to what society thinks is right, in a Christian society what Christians think is right, derives from strategy or fear of torment at the hands of the law or other citizens. When in Rome etc.

How do they arrive at "feeling" they should do something? They only have the biology as a source and if all human biology is the same then all humans should feel the same things.

Reply to Phoenix32890 you mentioned sir that you live in a way that does not 'fake reality'. How ever the reality is that if there is no purpose or authority outside of "ones self" - as you mentioned that you were self directed; then there does not need to be any restraint to fulfilling ones own desires no matter how immoral they may be, one can do what ever one wants with whom ever one wants, because there is no consequence.. And this would appear to be the reasoning behind the belief that there is no ultimate authority. I would be a sorry soul if there was no God to live a life of conscience, self restraint, and to put others interests before myself. If one was truelly honest with oneself, One would admit that he/she does not always act in a manner of integrity or straight forwardness. After all what is the need for future generations? whether they survive or die there is no purpose anyway... If all mankind had this view they would have been died away long ago.. But most men have an inate desire to reach God, or appear to seek smthg more eternal. I would argue this based on the lines of inductive reasoning, and also deductive reasoning...

People knew about right and wrong as taught by their parents and culture, long before your jesus was born - out of the minds of men. Your belief in a god has nothing to do with morals; otherwise, our country with over 80% christians would have a high moral standing compared to other cultures. That you were emersed in christianity because of your parents doesn't make your religion any better than others who practice Judism, Islam, Buddhism, Hindu, or any other man-made religion. Nobody can legislate morals; that's the reason why many christians commit crimes of passion, murder, robbery, theft, rape, and all the other crimes considered "sin." Don't kid yourself; you're no better than the person who doesn't believe in any religion.

What you describe is not "inductive or deductive reasoning." It's not even logical.

That man has a weakness to believe there's something more powerful than oneself isn't based on facts or evidence; it's 100% faith.

re "why don't we live more like the animals we are."

John we do. We live like intelligent social animals. As intelligent animals we form and join societies in order to improve the species chance of survival. As intelligent animals we have imagination. Comes with the territory. We, unlike many social animals can invent and use gods to enhance our own survival. Gods tend to make any given society more cohesive.

"Thou shall have no other gods before me" is simply another way of saying that the members of a society must be all on the same page, so as to speak. We invent priests and politicians in an attempt to insure that the society zigs and zags the same way. If a social animal deviates from the herd he is promptly eaten. (or burned at the stake, depending on the type of herd that he is born into)

I do not have enough imagination to be able to invent anything that is outside any observation consequently I have chosen the society of Atheists for my herd. You have chosen another subdivision of human society. No biggie until one of us assumes that his is the only correct society.

I act much like a westernized Christian. If the predominant herd that I found myself in was Islamic I would probably behave very much like the Islamic society. Hypocritical you bet! It's a survival strategy. The difference is that I know it and can relate it to evolution, or natural law. You seem to need a little imaginary help.

I find that confusing aka unless you are offering yourself for immolation or seeking to reduce our survival chances.

are you suggesting that the Mussalmen are dangerous?

Glad to see religion hasnt deemed all other life pointless... i am an atheist, and my life is in the shits at the moment, and i am sick to the back teeth of people trying to cram religion down my throat, i dont want any god, i dont think he is real. back off... Dont get me wrong, i respect other's veiws on god, existant or non exsitant, but i will belive whatever i want to belive! so dont go saying 'your life is pointless' because it isnt, that waill turn people to religion, depression! HOORAY! if i were to go to a religion i would want a peaceful happy one, not one full of ironic death (eg. jesus being a carpenter and then being nailed to a peice of wood.) also life has some meaning other than beliving in something we cannot even be sure exists, the meaning to life is to reproduce, pass on genes and die. that is all that we as humans do! thats how evolution occoured, and thats how we got here! so take your pointless life theory and cram it where the sun dont shine...

As far as I can determine, the pointless life is one that focuses solely on "other-worldly", after-life concerns. I prefer to live this life to the fullest. One might call it a "this-wordly" religiousity.

It matters not what personal justifications anybody puts forth. In the absence of an intelligent designer all life on earth, past, present and future, is pointless.

That was spoken with such authority that youd think that spendi had the modicum of a clue.


While all the religious types are busy trying to function normally with their god dependency problem, the rest of us can enjoy ourselves and be of help to others..

Oh yeah. Giving yourself a pat on the back again with an assertion. Good old effemm. He's a good bloke isn't he?

Have atheists got any charitable organisations bringing help to the poor of the world?

What happened to the selfish gene effemm?

Nothing, whats your point spendi? Trying to become relevant ?

That should be the repeated question to spendi; what's your point?

I made the point that everything must be pointless to an atheist. That's the topic.

You got irrelevant by giving yourself a pat on the back and whistling in the dark.

When did this habit of your's start of just saying any old thing that comes into your head?

If you don't understand the idea of the selfish gene to explain altruism in ant and termite colonies where most of the insects can't reproduce, thus undermining Darwin and natural selection without such an explanation, you shouldn't think your ignorance is universal.

Your "helping others" as an atheist is then gene programming. Your free will is up the spout. Your "enjoying" yourself, assuming it's more than a reassuring assertion, is what pigs are doing when wallowing in the mire.