Atheists... Your life is pointless

Arella Mae wrote:

What good is any belief in anything if you aren't adamant (committed) to it? Doesn't seem logical to believe in something and perhaps just believe a little?

There is no explicit reason why there must be "good in any belief". There is no logic that dictates the degree of belief must be germane.

Arelia, why do beliefs have to be adamant? Can't they be "working hypotheses" subject to testing and replacement by "beliefs" that appear to work better for us. Isn't believing "a little" about the same thing as an open-minded belief that is "tentative" or "provisional"?. To close off experience because of "committment" is to cease one's learning from experience--for the sake of the false security provided by doctrines.

Chumly, I am amazed by Paul's notion that belief/faith (as opposed to good acts) comprises the "goodness" requisite to salvation. Of course, to believe in another religion is not goodness but that is because it precludes belief in Christian doctrine.
In (true or esoteric) Buddhism, belief has no value; what matters most is direct (symbolically unmediated) insight/understanding, or, in its larger sense, "enlightenment". Buddhists may even eschew ALL (symbolically mediated) beliefs as barriers to true understanding.

of course i don't agree with the post title at all.

atheists and "believers" share many values, and disagree on their source. stupid thing to fight about, when both can be brilliant, kind, and righteous.

What are the many values you consider atheists and "believers" share as it pertains to the relevant considerations at hand?

in your case, bullshit. bother someone who's enough of a sucker to talk to you, chumly.

An ad hominem argument consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

As far as this idea of decreased progress without religion is concerned...

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Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

In 1616, the church, supported by those passages in the bible, ordered Gallileo to stop his defense of heliocentric theory. Obviously the church was wrong. Again. Science succeeded in its course to educate men and we all know now that the world in which we live is round, and NOT at the center of the universe.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

As far as this idea of decreased progress without religion is concerned...

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Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

In 1616, the church, supported by those passages in the bible, ordered Gallileo to stop his defense of heliocentric theory. Obviously the church was wrong. Again. Science succeeded in its course to educate men and we all know now that the world in which we live is round, and NOT at the center of the universe.

Weakest arguement ever. Someone bring out the award.

The center is certainly not established, but you'd be amazed how much evidence is avalible to help scientists approximate the center. As more and more evidence becomes avalible, the data begins to converge.

Face it, the church was dead wrong. Earth is NOT the center of the universe, and their is plenty of empirical evidence to support that the center is far far away from us. Our location in the universe is not special. It's only special because it is especially dominated by humans.

The award goes to... Barty!
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There is no established center of the universe since we cannot detect any edge. It cannot be decided conclusively what is or is not the center. Or even if there is a center at all.

Bartikus wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

As far as this idea of decreased progress without religion is concerned...

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Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Chronicles 16:30 state that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." Psalm 104:5 says, "[the LORD] set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

In 1616, the church, supported by those passages in the bible, ordered Gallileo to stop his defense of heliocentric theory. Obviously the church was wrong. Again. Science succeeded in its course to educate men and we all know now that the world in which we live is round, and NOT at the center of the universe.

Weakest arguement ever. Someone bring out the award.

The center is certainly not established, but you'd be amazed how much evidence is avalible to help scientists approximate the center. As more and more evidence becomes avalible, the data begins to converge.

Face it, the church was dead wrong. Earth is NOT the center of the universe, and their is plenty of empirical evidence to support that the center is far far away from us. Our location in the universe is not special. It's only special because it is especially dominated by humans.

The award goes to... Barty!
K
O

There is no established center of the universe since we cannot detect any edge. It cannot be decided conclusively what is or is not the center. Or even if there is a center at all.

I'd comment . . . but what's the point . . .