Atheists... Your life is pointless

The Bible is no comic book.

It's a love story-written for us.

Wanda

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"Love story?" You're reading the wrong comic book or else you need comprehension training.

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Oh, but it is!

When the holy spirit indwells you, only then can you feel the love. I know that's hard to understand, but it is true. And Maybe some day you will see too.
Prayer and understanding is all it takes for me.

Wanda

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Are you an authority on reading comprehension. Do you have any documentation to show you do Cicerone? Did the person who taught you reading comprehension present their credentials to you before or after you were taught? Did you collect the proofs needed to be sure of their intellect as a child?

or did you accept what you were taught on largely...... faith?

lol Surprised

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Mr. Cicerone Imposter,

I haven't heard anything from you about what you thought about starting a new forum? I thought it was a great idea! I can't wait to hear what you might like to call it! :wink:

Still waiting to hear from you! I hope you are having a wonderful night!

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Hi Momma.....welcome Wanda!

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Bartikus wrote:

Setanta wrote:
At no time did i assert that the remark i made about an argumentum ad populum fallacy is "from science" . . . don't try to rope me into your production of drivel . . .

Philosophy

It was used by you to discredit my theory that:

Even if all mankind could agree with this one thing.......
No two people on earth can agree on all things and as such, all are unique.

It was not in riposte to the thesis, it was a rejection of the rhetorical method, something which has not sunk in with you after all of these pages. It is no more a matter of philosophy than it is of science. There is little point in attempting discussion with someone who babbles on with little to no coherence while demanding answers to their rhetorical questions, and displaying no comprehension of forensics.

Wanda, i think it rather safe to say that there is no verb in the English language "to indwell"--however, your claptrap is right up Barfikus' alley, so maybe you and he and MOAN could do a threesome . . .

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Momma Angel,

Unforunately, your idea would not work. You see, Momma, Cicerone the Imposter preys on these kinds of things. He is like a stalker in the night seeking out Christians so he can use his not so subtle, but totally inadequate rantings. He is a disciple of Frank and a follower of Set as he does not have any original thought of his own.

This is not my perception, but rather fact based on the constant writings in these threads. Perhaps we should just suffer fools gladly and pray for a soul that is so full of hate.

He has written, in the past, that it is fundamentalists that fight to change the U.S. that he does not like. He has been told several times that not all of us are Americans and that we are not of the makeup to which he refers. Therefore, one can only assume that he is full of hate for all Christians since he continues to use childish postings to try and rattle us.

I guess he doesn't know what to make of Bartikus since Bartikus makes sense and does not run away like C.I. would hope.

Welcom, Bartikus.

Sad, really.

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Ah, another post without substance but only ridicule.

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Setanta wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
Setanta wrote:
At no time did i assert that the remark i made about an argumentum ad populum fallacy is "from science" . . . don't try to rope me into your production of drivel . . .

Philosophy

It was used by you to discredit my theory that:

Even if all mankind could agree with this one thing.......
No two people on earth can agree on all things and as such, all are unique.

It was not in riposte to the thesis, it was a rejection of the rhetorical method, something which has not sunk in with you after all of these pages. It is no more a matter of philosophy than it is of science. There is little point in attempting discussion with someone who babbles on with little to no coherence while demanding answers to their rhetorical questions, and displaying no comprehension of forensics.

Wanda, i think it rather safe to say that there is no verb in the English language "to indwell"--however, your claptrap is right up Barfikus' alley, so maybe you and he and MOAN could do a threesome . . .

Ok, is this better?

No two people have identical perspectives or views regarding all matters.

Thank you for not using argumentum ad hominem in any of your posts.

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Hello. I have been following this thread for several days now, and I have finally decided to post because I think something needs to be adressed.

Barticus,

Quote:

No two people have identical perspectives or views regarding all matters.

This seems to be your underlying and even overlaying message. You have been asserting this pretty much non stop since you came into this thread, and it makes me curious.
You are seeking to establish that all people are unique and therefore valuable. But you seem to have overlooked a couple of things. such as:
a) The fact that no two people can ocupy the same space, and thusly experience the universe from different points of view, does not inherantly give those points of view value.
b) What, inherantly, is 'valuable' about the property of 'uniqueness'?
And how does any of that connect to the 'pointfulness' of the life of one who does not believe in a deity?
Please elaborate on your position, as it stands rather empty at the moment.

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Doktor S,

Prior to Bartikus's answer, allow me to point out that "lack of equality of the theistic position with respect to an atheistic one" was raised on page 100.
This seems related to your question even though Bartikus was not part of the exchange.

Regards fresco.

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Fresco,
I did indeed follow that exchange between you and Momma Angel, and am inclined to agree that the positions 'atheism' and 'theism' do not stand on equal footing, for many reasons including some that you put forward.
However, I don't think equality exists whatsoever, and would be rather oposed to it if it did. The contemporary strive for equality and enshrinement of equality as a virtue is not something I buy into.
With that said, My previous post was more about seeing into Barticus' reasoning than seeking any sort of objective answers.

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Doktor S wrote:

Fresco,
I did indeed follow that exchange between you and Momma Angel, and am inclined to agree that the positions 'atheism' and 'theism' do not stand on equal footing, for many reasons including some that you put forward.
However, I don't think equality exists whatsoever, and would be rather oposed to it if it did. The contemporary strive for equality and enshrinement of equality as a virtue is not something I buy into.
With that said, My previous post was more about seeing into Barticus' reasoning than seeking any sort of objective answers.

If you do not believe in the notion of equality...what do you believe? By whose standard?

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Doktor S wrote:

Hello. I have been following this thread for several days now, and I have finally decided to post because I think something needs to be adressed.

Barticus,

Quote:

No two people have identical perspectives or views regarding all matters.

This seems to be your underlying and even overlaying message. You have been asserting this pretty much non stop since you came into this thread, and it makes me curious.
You are seeking to establish that all people are unique and therefore valuable. But you seem to have overlooked a couple of things. such as:
a) The fact that no two people can ocupy the same space, and thusly experience the universe from different points of view, does not inherantly give those points of view value.
b) What, inherantly, is 'valuable' about the property of 'uniqueness'?
And how does any of that connect to the 'pointfulness' of the life of one who does not believe in a deity?
Please elaborate on your position, as it stands rather empty at the moment.

Your conclusions seem to go right to the crux of the matter does'nt it?

If people cannot respect and live amongst each other having differences of perspectives and opinions....which perspective is right? By what perspectives standard? I guess the question came to my mind seeing how basically....alot of people tear down on another and detected a possible flaw in us all.

I believe everyone thinks their ways are right..

I could be wrong.

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Hi Barticus,

Quote:

If people cannot respect and live amongst each other having differences of perspectives and opinions....which perspective is right? By what perspectives standard? I guess the question came to my mind seeing how basically....alot of people tear down on another and detected a possible flaw in us all.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. could you please reword it?

Quote:

I believe everyone thinks their ways are right..

I could be wrong.

I agree with this.

Anywho, you didn't adress any of my questions, specificly;

Quote:

b) What, inherantly, is 'valuable' about the property of 'uniqueness'?

and

Quote:

And how does any of that connect to the 'pointfulness' of the life of one who does not believe in a deity?

I am struggling to understand how any of this relates to the thread topic.

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Although off-topic, I'll give this a reply also.

Quote:

If you do not believe in the notion of equality...what do you believe? By whose standard?

-I see equality as the antithesis of freedom, and I find freedom to be a superior value.

-I try not to 'believe' anything.

-My own, the only one I recognize.

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Quote:

b) What, inherantly, is 'valuable' about the property of 'uniqueness'?

Quote:

And how does any of that connect to the 'pointfulness' of the life of one who does not believe in a deity?

I am struggling to understand how any of this relates to the thread topic.[/quote]

1.) A unique perspective will never be around again to learn from. No?
It's rare....

2.) It should encourage all peoples to value the rarity of perspective shared.

I'm not sure what you are asking...

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Doktor S wrote:

Although off-topic, I'll give this a reply also.

Quote:

If you do not believe in the notion of equality...what do you believe? By whose standard?

-I see equality as the antithesis of freedom, and I find freedom to be a superior value.

-I try not to 'believe' anything.

-My own, the only one I recognize.

Yeah...many see equality as a reason for "mob mentalities" and since those who believe in a God....far outnumber those who don't. I can see why Atheists might be pushed to their limits by theists who claim "Your lives are nothing"!

It was dumb to say and very judgemental. I don't believe a person can value another person any more than they value themselves.

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Quote:

1.) A unique perspective will never be around again to learn from. No?
It's rare...

You can only 'learn' from subjective 'perspectives', the only thing you can learn from an individual that you can't learn from other sources is information about that individual, which I personally don't see a lot of objective worth in.

A person may know a wide array of information and hold a different set of perspectives and opinions on all the separate bits of said information, but no one bit of information or reaction to that bit of information is really unique or special. The things that make up what and who we are didn't spawn in a void, they were already there.

I understand your argument I just don't see any value in it.

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