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Atheists... Your life is pointless

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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 02:38 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus doesn't seem to understand there's a difference between an apple and a carrot.


But that difference cannot be completely relied upon by mankind alone according to Setanta's words.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 02:41 pm
Setanta wrote:
You wouldn't know wisdom if it bit you in the ass . . . how precisely does that junior high drivel purport to relate to this topic?


You tell me....

Setanta stated:

Not necessarily . . .
(In regards to all of man agreeing on any one thing to be true)
That would simply be the most gross case of argumentum ad populum . . . it would not be unreasonable to assert that at one time, every human on earth believed that the sun orbits the earth . . .

Anatole France says it best: If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

The sky might not be blue.
Water may not be wet.

Mankind might not be the final authority on.....anything.?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 02:50 pm
That's not what set said. You are making assumptions about the blue sky and wet water compared to the flat earth beliefs of over two thousand years ago. You are trying to compare apples and carrots.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 02:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's not what set said. You are making assumptions about the blue sky and wet water compared to the flat earth beliefs of over two thousand years ago. You are trying to compare apples and carrots.


really?


Setanta wrote:
Not necessarily . . .

That would simply be the most gross case of argumentum ad populum . . . it would not be unreasonable to assert that at one time, every human on earth believed that the sun orbits the earth . . .

Anatole France says it best: If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.


Maybe some run from what might be true.

I make no assumptions on this matter....for I am only a man.

Denying one truth (no man can agree with another on all things)(all men are unique)

By using another truth
(if all men agreed)
That could simply be the most gross case of argumentum ad populum . . . it would not be unreasonable to assert that at one time, every human on earth believed that the sun orbits the earth . . .

Truth cannot defeat truth....it supports it. For it is all from the same source. No authority divided against itself can stand.

God might be the only real authority for which to rely on.
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Setanta
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 03:09 pm
Your Baba Rum Raisin pronouncements make no case for your point of view . . . you constantly make assumptions, and you post them here as though you were asking profound questions about eternal truths. In fact, you're playing silly word games--the equivalent of masturbation.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 03:11 pm
Setanta wrote:
Your Baba Rum Raisin pronouncements make no case for your point of view . . . you constantly make assumptions, and you post them here as though you were asking profound questions about eternal truths. In fact, you're playing silly word games--the equivalent of masturbation.


Says you Setanta....even if all of mankind agreed with you on this statement....it could not be relied on. You could simply all be in error.

Maybe you are playing the silly game of hide and go seek. He will find you...he has played this game ever since adam and eve hid themselves.

There is no reason to run...we have no better friend.
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Setanta
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 03:23 pm
I'm not running, least of all from your imaginary friend. We are making progress now, though, because you're tipping your hand . . .
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 03:31 pm
Setanta wrote:
I'm not running, least of all from your imaginary friend. We are making progress now, though, because you're tipping your hand . . .


ok Setanta....my friend is imaginary and everything man agrees upon cannot be relied upon.

It is your choice as is all others. I do not blame you for your views. I held them as well. Best wishes to you and yours during the holidays.

I have no deck of cards and it is clear who thinks they are playing a game.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 03:36 pm
Denying one truth (no man can agree with another on all things)(all men are unique) No reason to assume our superiority over another.

By using another truth
(if all men agreed with the first truth)
That could simply be the most gross case of argumentum ad populum . . . it would not be unreasonable to assert that at one time, every human on earth believed that the sun orbits the earth . . .

All mankind could simply be wrong regarding what's true!

Truth cannot defeat truth....it supports it. For it is all from the same source and author. No authority divided against itself can stand.

God might be the only real authority for which to rely on.

Decide what is true for yourselves then.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:00 pm
Bartikus, Why didn't you admit you love to be deceived. I now understand where you're coming from.

Everybody can be decieved, so it's okay for you to be deceived. I can buy that!
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:02 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus, Why didn't you admit you love to be deceived. I now understand where you're coming from.

Everybody can be decieved, so it's okay for you to be deceived. I can buy that!


Who is deceived and who is'nt? Give me your argument. You tell me a truth.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:04 pm
No, it's not for me to argue on your behalf. It's for you to prove your claim.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, it's not for me to argue on your behalf. It's for you to prove your claim.


What claim must I prove?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:24 pm
Go back and reread your posts. But then, that might be another one of your deceits.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:27 pm
"The beast is merely a man trying to take a position of God's.Jesus Christ is his opponent. I get and deserve no points, every good thing that comes to me is by God's goodness alone."

Prove it.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:29 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Go back and reread your posts. But then, that might be another one of your deceits.


Deceits? I deceive whom?

No, it's not for me to argue on your behalf. It's for you to prove your claim of my deceit!

No?
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Setanta
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:29 pm
Bartikus wrote:
God might be the only real authority for which to rely on.


Apart from your butchery of composition, it is worth noting that god might not be any authority at all, that god in fact might not be at all.

Which is a possibility which ought to have recommended itself to you in the first place, since this thread concerns itself with atheists--those who are without god.

In my case, it is not a matter of believing anything at all, it is a matter of not seeing any good reason to believe in your imaginary friend.
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:34 pm
Setanta wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
God might be the only real authority for which to rely on.


Apart from your butchery of composition, it is worth noting that god might not be any authority at all, that god in fact might not be at all.

Which is a possibility which ought to have recommended itself to you in the first place, since this thread concerns itself with atheists--those who are without god.

In my case, it is not a matter of believing anything at all, it is a matter of not seeing any good reason to believe in your imaginary friend.


What would be a good reason for you to believe if the reason and purpose are not your own? What would a good reason be if the reason and purpose was your's alone?
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Setanta
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:36 pm
How very silly of you, i've already pointed out that i don't intend to cooperate with your silly word games. There really is no point in continuing to ask me questions with which you hope to set up your flights into the spiritual ether . . .
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Bartikus
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2005 04:41 pm
Setanta wrote:
How very silly of you, i've already pointed out that i don't intend to cooperate with your silly word games. There really is no point in continuing to ask me questions with which you hope to set up your flights into the spiritual ether . . .


You cannot or will not answer my question so you accuse: It is only a question. Do you fear the answer?

According to cicerone:

It's for you to prove your claim of my silly word games and my flights into the spiritual ether!

No?

Then i need not prove nor can prove anything to anyone. Nor can any man prove one thing to another.

The truth stands indepedently on it's own. Man cannot breathe life into it.
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