I sure do understand and know this...that is why I say I do not understand how atheism is not a form of belief..
Not long ago I had a brief exchange with a theist who didn't resort to ad homs, obfuscations, evasions, hand-waving, word salads, etc, like the guys here do.
Do you really think that someone like spendius who finds it to be stylish to kill in the name of a supernatural being because he thinks it raises us above the other beasts,
Not really, no. And he's only too happy to join izzy and Spade in the dishonest rhetorical techniques of ad hom attacks, red herrings, etc, when someone approaches any of the huge gaps in his arguments, rather than provide evidence relevant to the real question about theistic belief.
Gladly Frank...I think that when someone questions how they could, in fact, be incorrect over and over and puts every subjective view, belief, opinion, thought, in the dust...because they would honestly like to know from a high conscious perspective...then they begin to start to understand how it is not about themselves, but what "God" thinks, or what is "correct" not what they previously thought...and why...since a God is perfect and they are not...they begin to understand this in an absolutely certain way, (because the answers come to them, from a higher consciousness directly to them within, or a self revelation happens), while they are not certain themselves...(because they had doubts it would work, but chose to do it, because they put their own thinking aside, and the revelations still occur, [faith])...So it can not be delusion, because if one was already delusional, then by doing that...nothing would happen...they would in fact realize they believe it is "nonsense"...and understand why they do not want to do this...freely choose not to believe in God...freely choose to have "rejections" freely chose not be "delusional"...IE become an atheist...If one thinks they are not "deluded", then by doing this, they believe it makes them truly become "delusional" It means they must agree or believe they were, or we all were...and only self revelations provide these answers...that some chose to reject...Unless one can "provide facts" as to how we can "prove" that everyone is delusional and make changes for humanity...(but no atheist has yet)...(unless one thinks everyone is delusional, and there is nothing anyone can do) to fully understand why everyone thinks they are delusional, and chose to freely seek God, means it has ALL to do with their own thinking, and NOTHING at all to do with "God" himself...That is how one knows that if they keep the faith in it...It is also not "delusional" to follow it...(even if others subjectively think it is)...because it is all about what one personally believes, or has faith in themselves...and is self-honest about...since the answers are always self revelations anyways...Or a higher understanding of why they chose to believe that their ways could be wrong...If one thinks that they are not delusional...but by doing this will make them delusional (= rejections) then they would surely go back to thinking their own ways and reject this notion of "God" Or revelations of how they could be incorrect (unfounded superiority) ...Which means that atheists provide the "proof" we all are deluded...is being deluded just an opinion one has in thinking it is wrong to think that someone else knows the answer rather than what their own brain can come up with? Or is it really about the notion of "God"? (no need to answer either, those were rhetorics, not my question(s)...How much one would like to know, is totally dependant on how honest they are when they admit that they think they could be wrong...and why...and how they find the answers to the questions they honestly admit they think they could be incorrect about...and why they say they are, or why they want to look for another answer...
My next question...
Do you agree with what I have just said, disagree, or are unsure, and if you can honestly say that you disagree or are unsure, then can you please explain to me exactly why you think you disagree or unsure?