Atheists... Your life is pointless

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

FBM wrote:

You'll be the first to know. I, on the other hand, have had at least 8 groups of 15~40 students laughing ...

Students who have got to know you and are dependent on you for a grade. Hardly what could be considered a hostile audience.

And an audience who pays money to hear a performer is hostile? They have a vested interest in getting their money's worth. Wink

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@FBM,

Why don't you point out where I've espoused any particular belief system?

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@spendius,

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It certainly does that you should feel it a duty to address an international forum as if it consists of 3 year olds with an endless stream of banal and very well worn out ideas in the service of the attempted glorification of Mr Frank Apisa and his doings.

Quite honestly, Spendius, if anyone here seems to be attempting self-glorification, it is you with your pretentious posts.

But if it brings any satisfaction to you to think otherwise, do so.

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@izzythepush,

Eh? As far as I know, I've been responding to your individual posts. I don't know for sure what belief system you adhere to other than playing devil's advocate. If you play the devil's advocate game, expect responses to the position you're pretending to espouse.

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@spendius,

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And it would be useful if you explained just how Mr Rice's lyrics hit the nail squarely on the head rather than simply asserting that they do which takes us nowhere.

It might be useful...but in your case, it most likely is beyond your comprehension.

If you would like to cut out the nonsense and speak respectfully with each other, however, I am always willing to do so.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I hafta wonder why any GOD who actually wants humans to know that IT exists...and who wants humans to know what pleases IT and what offends IT...

...cannot do a better job of transmitting that information to everyone, so that we do not have to rely on people like Spade and you to filter the information and pass it on.

Thanks Frank...no one has to believe it is true...everyone has a choice...not sure if I could answer the second part...I think that everyone, even believers have a long ways to go...I think that people can only see things if they start to let go of every personal desire that they have that we know is not necessary...that is not centered around being free, or happy forever...

Certain people are at different levels of spirituality...

It does not have anything to do with what I can or can not transmit...

It has to do with oneself actually realizing this upon their own, if they freely want to do it...

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Are you of the opinion that IF a GOD exists and wanted everyone to know that IT exists...IT could not do a better job of letting everyone know???

Don't know Frank...I can not personally self define God for you...I know what I believe, and what it has explained to me...because I have faith in what I have asked it to explain...and have faith it what it had to say to me in response...Do you not have to have faith in God and have faith it could reveal itself in a better way for you personally in order to have faith it could be truthful? Or have God personally explain it for you? (Do you see my point now) What do you think not violate free will means to you?

If it wanted to violate free will, and let everyone know that it was there? Then yes...

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Eh? As far as I know, I've been responding to your individual posts. I don't know for sure what belief system you adhere to other than playing devil's advocate.

That was on a completely different thread, and was designed to bring home the consequences of Hawkeye's ridiculous notion of an all out attack on N. Korea.

I take it you still live in the South. Do you honestly think an all out strike, similar to what Hawkeye proposed, would make you more secure?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Don't know Frank...I can not personally self define God for you...I know what I believe, and what it has explained to me personally...because I understand what I have asked God...and why I have...Do you not have to have faith in God and have faith it could reveal itself in a better way for you to personally understand why you believe it is better or not? And understand why you believe in God itself? And have faith in him? (Do you see my point now) How could anyone ever know anything about anything at all? If they are convinced that they not looking for the questions that they are asking? Or are not sure if they are looking for the questions that they are asking? What do you think not violate free will means to you?

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@FBM,

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I quoted as evidence something that you denied you said. Your subsequent "explanation" is an admission that you couldn't know what you previously claimed to know. Like I observed before, my real problem with engaging in debate with you is your intellectual dishonesty.

What do you think I was being intellectually dishonest about? And how is it evident to you? Can you explain to me how you think it was what I have said to you? Or is it possible that what you thought my initial question had meant was incorrect?...even though, I still took the time and explained for you how it was not what you thought it was, and what I actually meant...That you still wish to subjectively reject...and subjectively believe what I actually meant...though I explained how that is incorrect...

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intellectual dishonesty

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@FBM,

Make sure you take the adequate time to take all of that in...I emphasized the words on purpose...Not to be intellectually dishonest like you may believe I was...but so that you can learn and understand what I am actually saying directly to you...and why...

Or do you believe I am being dishonest about this? Or is it possible it is you who is not being completely truthful with me??? Or just do not understand? (If you do not, but are honest, I am willing to take the time to explain it for you)

Think about it...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Spade, I asked:

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Are you of the opinion that IF a GOD exists and wanted everyone to know that IT exists...IT could not do a better job of letting everyone know???

Your response was:

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Don't know Frank.

Well, make a guess.

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I can not personally self define God for you

No need to define it, Spade. You can just use your imagination. If you were a GOD…and if you wanted to let everyone on the planet know that you existed…and if you were a powerful enough GOD to make the entire universe…can you not imagine letting everyone know of your existence better than the god you worship has done?

If I were a GOD…I know damn well I could.

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I know what I believe, and what it has explained to me...because I have faith in what I have asked it to explain...and have faith it what it had to say to me in response...

I have no idea of what you are trying to communicate with that comment, Spade.

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Do you not have to have faith in God and have faith it could reveal itself in a better way for you personally in order to have faith it could be truthful?

No…or Yes…depending on what you were asking. I cannot tell from the words and structure you used.

BUT…if you are asking me IF I were a GOD… could conceive of a way to let everyone on this planet know of my existence with absolute certainty….

…YES, I CAN.

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Or have God personally explain it for you? (Do you see my point now)

Not even remotely, Spade.

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What do you think not violate free will means to you?

I don’t even know for sure what that sentence means, Spade. Would you translate it.

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If it wanted to violate free will, and let everyone know that it was there? Then yes...

What the hell does “having free will” have to do with how a GOD could easily let everyone know IT exists????

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@Frank Apisa,

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I know damn well I could.

Cool! one down... Wink

...Why are you convinced you could?

(I will respect what you have asked me before, and I will do one at a time...)

I know what I believe, and what it has explained to me...because I have faith in what I have asked it to explain...and have faith it what it had to say to me in response...

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I have no idea of what you are trying to communicate with that comment, Spade.

I understand what I am personally convinced of, and understand the answers he gave to me regarding my personal questions I have asked him, because I knew that I was asking him the questions, and I knew that it was he giving me the answers to the questions I was specifically asking him...

Do you know what you would ask God if you could? And do you know why you would ask him these specific questions if you could? Why do you think that you would ask him these specific questions if it is possible? And how do you know if you think that God was answering them for you or not if it is even possible?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I know damn well I could.

Cool! one down......Why are you convinced you could?

Your question is: Why am I convinced that IF I WERE GOD I and IF I WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF KNOW...that I could do a better job of making myself known than the god you worship has done.

Well...so far, it seems NOBODY AT ALL knows the god exists.

You cannot get any worse at the job than that.

IF I could make a galaxy so large that it would take millions of years for light to traverse it...and make hundreds of billions of other galaxies of similar size...OUT OF NOTHING...

...I certainly could make myself known in an unambiguous way.

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I know what I believe, and what it has explained to me...because I have faith in what I have asked it to explain...and have faith it what it had to say to me in response...

I have no idea of what that means. Explain it in English. See if you can do it without using the words "believe" "believe" or "faith."

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I have no idea of what you are trying to communicate with that comment, Spade.

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I understand what I am personally convinced of, and understand the answers he gave to me regarding my personal questions I have asked him, because I knew that I was asking him the questions, and I knew that it was he giving me the answers to the questions I was specifically asking him...

And how can you possibly know you are not deluding yourself?

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Do you know what you would ask God if you could?

Yup. I'd ask what ambrosia and nectar taste like. And then ask why he chose a bull for an Earthly form.

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And do you know why you would ask him these specific questions if you could?

Yup. Because the answers interest me.

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Why do you think that you would ask him these specific questions if it is possible?

Why not?

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And how do you know if you think that God was answering them for you or not if it is even possible?

English, please.

By the way, Spade...there are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count...and those who cannot.
(I will respect what you have asked me before, and I will do one at a time...)

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

No need to define it, Spade. You can just use your imagination. If you were a GOD

Isn't that like asking an ant to imagine he's a man?

First get shitloads of sugar.

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@Frank Apisa,

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English, please.

By the way, Spade...there are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count...and those who cannot.
(I will respect what you have asked me before, and I will do one at a time...)

Frank, do me one favor please...please take the time to be respectful towards me...Or tell me that you have no interest in doing so, and then I will know that it is not worth my time...

I am not making demands, or trying to patronize you...So please do not do it to me...We ALL make mistakes...

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@Frank Apisa,

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Your question is: Why am I convinced that IF I WERE GOD I and IF I WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF KNOW...that I could do a better job of making myself known than the god you worship has done.

Well...so far, it seems NOBODY AT ALL knows the god exists.

You cannot get any worse at the job than that.

IF I could make a galaxy so large that it would take millions of years for light to traverse it...and make hundreds of billions of other galaxies of similar size...OUT OF NOTHING...

...I certainly could make myself known in an unambiguous way.

Is this why you are convinced that there is no unambiguous evidence? Is there anymore evidence that you can think of that does or would convince you that there is no unambiguous evidence?

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@izzythepush,

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Isn't that like asking an ant to imagine he's a man?

Probably...but Spade asked me the question...and I did my best to deal with it.

IF there is a GOD...and IF that god really wants us all to know IT exists and know what IT condones and what offends IT...

...surely that GOD could do so better than the supposed god of the Bible has done.

That is the essence of what I am saying.

I am not saying there is a GOD...nor am I saying that if there is a GOD...IT would want us to know that IT exists and know what pleases IT and what offends IT.

But IF those conditions exist...it seems much more likely that the GOD would be able to do a better job of things.

I've been wrong before.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Frank, do me one please...please take the time to be respectful towards me...Or tell me that you have no interest in doing so, and then I will know that it is not worth my time...

I am not making demands, or try to patronize you...So please do not do it to me...We ALL make mistakes...

I RESPECT YOU, SPADEMASTER. YOU ARE A FELLOW HUMAN BEING...AND I AM WILLING TO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT I LOVE YOU.

At no point am I patronizing you...but I have discovered that if I am not forceful in expressing my confusion and displeasure with the way you write and question...all I will get is more of the same.

I LOVE YOU, SPADE. YOU ARE A FELLOW HUMAN BEING DEALING, as I am, WITH TRAVEL THROUGH THIS THING CALLED LIFE. I WANT VERY MUCH FOR YOU TO BE SATISFIED, HAPPY, CONTENT...

...and more clear and precise when you direct comment to me.

I hope that did the job.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Rethink this...and ask one question. I cannot allow you two at a time...or we will be wasting each other's time.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Isn't that like asking an ant to imagine he's a man?

Probably...but Spade asked me the question...and I did my best to deal with it.

IF there is a GOD...and IF that god really wants us all to know IT exists and know what IT condones and what offends IT...

...surely that GOD could do so better than the supposed god of the Bible has done.

That is the essence of what I am saying.

If all those ifs were true we'd still only know a fraction of what's going on. I wouldn't pay much attention to those holy rollers in the Bible anyway. What do they know?

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I've been wrong before.

Which proves you're not as wrong as a lot of them.

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