Thanks for the compliment FBM
Knowledge is no one's to own.
That term didn't originate with me.
I picked it up after talking with Fresco and being prompted to research some of Wittgenstein's work. Frank Apisa also inspired some exploration of that with regards to epistemology.
The concept predates Wittgenstien (I think he would agree).
How typical of you. Because an atheist does not believe there is a god is not evidence that they have no moral system. Because an atheist does not profess the moral system you prefer is not evidence that they have none.
Quote:How can you prove that any of this is true if you do not believe it is?? And have never experienced that this is empirically true by killing another person to validate these concepts??? Game, set, match...rack 'em up FBM...Say what? How does anyone know that they believe anything? It's a report on the thoughts that go through one's head. How do you know that you believe what you believe?
The secular world has moral norms, mores. Compliance with them is secular morality. No divine source required. I don't kill because I don't think killing is right. I don't need a book of myths to teach me that.
I also don't make up fantastic stories that tell people that they're dirty sinners from birth even though we haven't done anything wrong, and the only way they can redeem themselves is to come to church every Sunday and give me 10% of all their earnings. $$$$$$$$ Cha-ching! Wish I could say the same for theism...
You say you do not need a book to teach you that right? OK...but do you believe that this book is teaching you this? Or do you believe that this book is not teaching you anything new that you had not known before? If it is the latter, then can you "prove" to me how you can "prove" this is true, and do not believe it is, and reject that it is?
Quote:How do you know what you reject or what you do not believe?, if you do not have beliefs about what you reject or do not believe?How do you know that you believe what you believe?
How can you prove what you reject or do not believe, if you do not believe or reject that you believe these notions are true? Is there any such way whatsoever to try to validate any such rejection of a belief?? Or must one always come to grips with what they do believe, and they try to validate these views they have? Rather than reject them?
One does not need an external source to know what one believes or disbelieves. I know I don't believe in supernatural beings because those are the thoughts that go through my own head. No one else is capable of telling me what I believe or disbelieve because the source of that belief or disbelief is my own mind. I don't actually know what you believe; I only know what you report to me. No one else is privy to your subjective experiences.
That is not a basis upon which to assume that one can only base morality of their perferred superstition, or must necessarily base morality on the "rejection" of said superstition. You completely lack imagination. You're getting as bad with that "rejection" bullshit as Frank is with his "guess" bullshit.
I have never told you that "it is about rejections." This is some fantasy bullshit that you've cobbled together in your pea brain. You completely lack imagination. You are deficient the the traits that have made humanity so successful. I don't need your Big Sky Daddy to tell me that murder is a bad idea. I have sufficient imagination to understand the likely consequences of my actions. If a murder takes place, it ruins the lives of all the loved ones and acquaintance of the murderer. It ruins the lives of all the loved ones and acquaintance of the murder victim. Anyone who needs to be told that murder is a bad idea is defective in their understanding.
I don't need a Big Sky Daddy to tell me to "do unto others what you would have them do unto you." I have sufficient understanding to realize that as i make the world a pleasant place for those with whom i live, it will make it a pleasant place for me to live, too. You are so totally devoid of understanding and imagination that you cannot see that people can make valid moral choices based on a realistic projection of consequences without the aid of superstitions that are thousands of years old and were created to restrain the lusts and willfulness of selfish, childish egotists.
