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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Setanta
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:07 pm
You should have a Neo avatar, not only would it show just how cool you are, but the old fogies wouldn't get it.
neologist
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:12 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

You should have a Neo avatar, not only would it show just how cool you are, but the old fogies wouldn't get it.

But I'm an old fogey, Set. Whatever shall I do?
Setanta
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:13 pm
@neologist,
I already 'splained it to ya . . . sheesh . . .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:17 pm
@neologist,
I'm an "old fogey" too at 77 yo, but still trying to remain active both mentally and physically. Mr. Green
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spendius
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:38 pm
@Setanta,
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Does this mean that before makind invented gods . . . Oh! . . . i'm sorry,


There is no need to apologise Setanta and even less, if that were possible, to make an unnecessary toodoo about it as an exhibition of your wit. It is a simple fact that makind invented God, gods, spirits, tooth fairies, leprechauns, jinns, alien visitations, placebos, spaghetti monsters and the like. Funny money as well. Patriotism. In fact makind invented makind once having risen in the world above the brutes.

God revealing Himself to makind implies condescension and affabilty on His part not far short of that Lady Catherine de Bourgh exhibits to the party of Mr Lucas at Rosings but with considerably less justification.

The style and content of your posts indicates a similar condescension on your part in praising Ms Austen's book so fulsomely when nothing has obviously passed from her to you. The suspicion aroused being that you only chose that part in order to have a literary stripe placed on your sleeve to go with all the other stripes you have awarded yourself from time to time.

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that all of humanity were immoral and depraved


Which is quite true and I'm sorry you feel it so important to attempt to distance yourself from the conclusion with a few well chosen words.

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If one group declares that the god of another group is a false god, does that mean that that second group is immoral and depraved (and therefore, ripe for rapine and plunder)?


Yes.

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Does that mean that people who have never conceived of a god are immoral and depraved?


By our standards--yes, although I feel sure that those people were unaware of it.

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Are people such as animists, who believe that all of nature is imbued with supernatural spirits, but don't believe in a god are immoral and depraved?


Yes--of course.

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My, my, my . . . how did humanity ever survive and prosper?


A section of humanity invented Christianity. That's how. Can you not ask more difficult questions than that? Are we to be treated as infants forever?

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FBM
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 06:36 pm
@izzythepush,
The principle stands, regardless. Theists claim that their moral compass is their belief system, wherein those who disobey are punished for an eternity.

Yes, there are good and bad (however that may be defined) theists, just as there are good and bad atheists. The difference is that the good atheists are good without god. No religion is necessary in order to have an effective moral compass.

QED.
FBM
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 06:38 pm
@spendius,
Doesn't matter if hellfire and damnation are anachronistic and made up by Dante. The majority of theists believe in them. When I grew up, the preacher(s) threatened us with them practically every Sunday. Papal infallibility is also a recently invented fiction, but millions believe in it and live by it, so it's a currently potent belief.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:07 pm
@FBM,
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The difference is that the good atheists are good without god. No religion is necessary in order to have an effective moral compass.


Sounds like Logic 101. Mr. Green
izzythepush
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:12 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

. Theists claim that their moral compass is their belief system, wherein those who disobey are punished for an eternity.


I'm sure you wouldn't make such a sweeping statement without researching everything thoroughly.

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No religion is necessary in order to have an effective moral compass.


All depends on how you define religion. Have you read The Power And The Glory?
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:15 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Doesn't matter if hellfire and damnation are anachronistic and made up by Dante. The majority of theists believe in them. When I grew up, the preacher(s) threatened us with them practically every Sunday.


You're looking at everything completely subjectively, you haven't got a clue what the majority of people believe in, just the guys you used to hang out with.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
FBM wrote:
The difference is that the good atheists are good without god. No religion is necessary in order to have an effective moral compass.

cicerone imposter wrote:
Sounds like Logic 101



Sounds like hypocrisy to me...How do they know that they believe they are good, moral people if they do not judge or base themselves upon a moral system that they say they reject or do not need to believe in...in order to be a "good person" and not a "bad one"?? What is good and what is bad?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:47 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Tell me, Spade, what morals do people of religion follow, and how effective is it?

If it sounds like hypocrisy to you, please spell out why?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 07:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Tell me, Spade, what morals do people of religion follow, and how effective is it?

People of religion follow morals that they think God would want them too...It is not always effective, because people try to justify how what they are doing is moral, when they know that there are times when they are not being moral, but are trying to make it appear as though they are...that is what morality is...

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If it sounds like hypocrisy to you, please spell out why?

I just did in my second post above...but I will try to make it simpler for you...

How could anyone know that they are being moral? Unless they believe it is true? How can anyone "prove" they are being moral, unless they believe they can, or believe they can "prove" that it is true?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:08 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
What are those morals that they think god wants them to follow that are secular?

Do atheist "know that there are times when they are not being moral?"

What are the differences between secular and nonsecular morals?

Do non-christians understand morals?

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MattDavis
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:10 pm
Oh goodie!!!
Is it comparing "moral compass" time?
I would just like to throw it out there...
not bragging or anything.
When I'm excited my "moral compass" points practically North!
You know... give or take a few degrees. I am also pretty pleased with the size of my "moral compass". Sometimes in the locker room, me and the other guys will talk about how much the ladies enjoy our "moral compasses".
Most of my friends have their "moral compasses" trimmed off at the top.
Not entirely sure why? Someone told me that God prefers "moral compasses " that way. Something about having a "moral compass" which is trimmed. I guess God is none to pleased with the "moral compasses" we get out of the box. Speaking of which...
When did women end up with "moral compasses"?
I don't think that's natural... If they get their own "compasses", I might have to start making mine more attractive.
No one wants an inferior "compass"!
neologist
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:36 pm
@MattDavis,
Then its true that the excited moral compass has no sense of direction.
FBM
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

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The difference is that the good atheists are good without god. No religion is necessary in order to have an effective moral compass.


Sounds like Logic 101. Mr. Green


Wittgenstein's ladder. I hope we can go up a notch to 202 some day soon. Wink

(I'v been using that phrase as much as I can since Matt taught it to me. Smile)
FBM
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:43 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Sounds like hypocrisy to me...How do they know that they believe they are good, moral people ...


Say what? How does anyone know that they believe anything? It's a report on the thoughts that go through one's head. How do you know that you believe what you believe?
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FBM
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:48 pm
The secular world has moral norms, mores. Compliance with them is secular morality. No divine source required. I don't kill because I don't think killing is right. I don't need a book of myths to teach me that.

I also don't make up fantastic stories that tell people that they're dirty sinners from birth even though we haven't done anything wrong, and the only way they can redeem themselves is to come to church every Sunday and give me 10% of all their earnings. $$$$$$$$ Cha-ching! Wish I could say the same for theism...
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Mar, 2013 11:01 pm
@neologist,
So true; all humans regardless of religion or no religion has "no sense of direction." They are subjective values to each individual.
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