Atheists... Your life is pointless

You are correct...That is not exactly how you have worded what I have said...but no way in Hell am I going through it all to word it exact just for evasions...(I will play this stupid game once more...[not saying that you have])

No way in Hell...fine, I will come back when I am more coherent...and when you would like to answer the questions I have asked...then it would help me understand this if you ask me to clarify it for you...and I will take it piece by piece with what I can link you have exactly claimed...since I think you try to evade upon this basis...but I have no interest in trying to "prove" this...

What do you claim i allege? You consistently attempt to claim that an atheist is morally deficient. You have said that an atheist cannot recognize injustice and can do nothing about it (well duh, if you can't see something, of course you can't do anything about it). You have compared atheists to Satanists. (That's really dull-witted, if you've got no god, you've got no satan.)

There is a distinction here that you completely miss. If you say you believe there is a Big Sky Daddy, i take that as a given, i don't challenge that, because only you know what you believe. However, if you that there is a Big Sky Daddy (rather than just that you believe it), then i certainly will ask you to prove it. You're not making that distinction.

And FBM is very astute in referring to your posts as word salad--tossed word salad.

Hand tossed word salad dressing...

No problem...I will ask you what you believe or do not believe...Because knowledge of first hand experiences are directly based upon what my beliefs are...and why I believe this...and I believe this is true...and know why I believe this...Now, do you believe that this is true? Or do you reject that this is true? If you reject that it is, then can you "prove" it for me? And if you attempt to "prove" it for me, would it require your own beliefs? Or what you reject? Or do not believe?

Occasionally people talk to you about "incoherence" in your posts, Spade. I've done it...and I've seen at least a half dozen others mention it.

Your use of the words "believe" and "belief" are a huge part of that perceived incoherence.

You ought really to stop using those words entirely.

If you are making guesses about things...acknowledge them as guesses. If you are talking about things you know (within he confines of what can be known)...acknowledge that you "know" those things.

Stop with the dozens of "believe" and "beliefs" in almost every one of your posts.

They help make them incoherent.

What the hell. Thanks! You reinforce my original point with every subsequent post.

The old beater of his is breaking down . . . can you hear it? Wank, wank, wank . . .

Heh heh...must be pretty calloused by now...

But it is not my responsibility (not saying you have said this, just stating my opinion) to provide proof for you or anyone else, in order for you to understand why you believe this or any God does not exist...And why you chose to believe that...Or why you choose to call it a rejection...

Or in order for you to understand why you choose to reject that this God exists or any God exists and why you chose to reject that this is true...Or have any rejection...

If you want "evidence"...Then go find all the evidence you need based upon everything you see, feel, hear, experience so that you can fully understand what you do or do not believe about something/anything and exactly why you do...

It is not on me to validate what you want to believe or reject...because what you do...is different than what I do...

Something is missing here in terms of atheists in general...and I won't play any such validation game, unless they are willing to believe my beliefs to validate why they believe or do not believe my beliefs are true...just to prove a point to them...when one does...I will attempt to validate their personal rejections, that they claim they do not believe...

Or not.

Here we go again. You completely fail to make a distinction between belief and knowledge. I've never asked you to prove that you believe something. If you say you know something, it is perfectly reasonable to ask you how you know it.



I haven't called anything a rejection. That's your bullshit line. Stop trying to attribute that to me.



This is completely incoherent.

I've never asked you to validate anything. I wouldn't ask you to validate my parking receipt.

Your last paragraph is completely incoherent. However, once again, you have made a sweeping generalization about atheists, without a shred of support, and one which tends to suggest that they are deficient. No surprise there . . .

Because you believe this, and can not prove it? Or because you reject it, and can prove it? ......If this is true...then how about you answer the questions I have asked you?...here it is again for you...

No problem...I will ask you what you believe or do not believe...Because knowledge of first hand experiences are directly based upon what my beliefs are...and why I believe this...and I believe this is true...and know why I believe this...Now, do you believe that this is true? Or do you reject that this is true? If you reject that it is, then can you "prove" it for me? And if you attempt to "prove" it for me, would it require your own beliefs? Or what you reject? Or do not believe?

The point is...that everything we know and believe...Gods and all, are beliefs...and nothing can ever be validated...because we believe they are true...and evidence are our own subjective beliefs...that many are not honest about...but I can not prove this as it is a belief...but I imagine that one who rejects beliefs can "prove" this for me? And if this is not what you believe, then what do you believe? Since I think I know what you believe to reject...and do not know what you reject, because you believe you do...

Something is missing here in terms of atheists in general...and I won't play any such validation game, unless they are willing to believe my beliefs to validate why they believe or do not believe my beliefs are true...just to prove a point to them...when one does...I will attempt to validate their personal rejections, that they claim they do not believe...

You can not validate anything at all unless you believe you can...Or do not believe you can...not validate, do not believe = believe you can validate...

If someone rejects that this is true, or does not believe this and is about evidence...Then I would like someone to "prove" this for me....If they can...

I am sorry Frank, but I do not agree with you...I think I understand why people believe, or chose to say they do not, or why I think they do...

I do not understand why someone would know there are beliefs, and not understand why they either would have to chose to believe them...Or chose not to believe what they are exposed too...It does not make any sense how one can argue they are unsure that they know they have this choice...now if an agnostic does not want to accept or believe this choice, that is totally different than not knowing, or not believing it is true...

There's more bullshit in this thread than you'd find in a feed lot.

To the point about Satanism.
I believe Spade is referencing LaVayan Satanism. (a topic discussed here before)
LaVayan Satananists do not believe in a deity (God) or an antidiety (Satan).
The group has very little of my sympathies, it is basically a form of humanism based on the worst possible readings of modern nihilism.

Ayn Rand (philosophy) meets Anne Rice (theatrics)... not historically but as a convenient visualization.

It always sounds to me, Spade, that you are trying to say something like this:

I have my reasons for guessing the way I do about the REALITY...and you have your reasons for guessing the way you do about the REALITY.

I consider my guesses reasonable...and I am willing to accept that you consider your guesses to be reasonable.

But all we can do is to guess.

Rather than trying to get each other to change our guesses...why don't we just get along as best as possible.


If I am correct...you are not doing a very good job of it, mostly because of all that extraneous"believe" and "belief" stuff.

More word salad is all you've got? Not surprising. Belief is the rejection of reason. You demand 100% absolute incontrovertible proof from science, but refuse to provide the smallest amount of evidence for your belief. Special pleading. Intellectual dishonesty. You're fooling no one but yourself. Enjoy your placebo, but keep it out of my face, please. Thank you.

I have seen a few references to Ayn Rand recently. I understood she was a proto-fascist and a darling of the Republican party.

Was she Matt?

If you want Spade out of your face FB then stop reading his posts. Otherwise your orders constitute a demand for him to leave the thread and, as such, an application of censorship.

I don't think Spade has ever given out any similar orders himself which is some evidence that Christian= tolerance and Atheism=Intolerance leading to dictatorial directives which are the normal state of affairs in atheist regimes.

I don't exactly have my ear to the ground listening for the possible rationalizations within the GOP. We tend to run in different circles.
I've voted for Republican candidates on occasion (usually at the county level). I haven't read Ayn Rand in about 15 years. There was a brief repopularization of her books here in the US a few years ago.
Apparently some Republican made the impolitic blunder of admitting to have read a book.