Atheists... Your life is pointless

Answer what? As i've already pointed out, people exist whether or not you or anyone else think their lives have merit or a point. Are you disputing that proposition? Are you prepared to argue against it?

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@Setanta,

I am not saying that your statement about people being, living, will die is incorrect or needs to be demonstrated...I agree with you...

I think that if you say you do not need a "magical sky daddy to give life a point" then that now becomes a subjective view about existence that goes over the line of just demonstrated facts...

There is nothing remotely demonstrable about that because it is just your subjective view...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Spade...think this out more carefully. You are making unwarranted assumption, which do serious damage to your argument.

Try not to infer things when Setanta posts...he is careful in his wording. You are not!

If you can get him to say "There is no point to life" (good luck with that)...you could suggest that a burden of proof for that exists.

If you can get him to say "there are no gods" (good luck with that also)...you could suggest that a burden of proof for that exists.

Do not assume an assertion unless you can back up the assertion.

Gotta take my elderly aunts shopping. I'll be back in a couple of hours. Interesting discussion.

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@Setanta,

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Answer what?

http://able2know.org/topic/62055-304#post-5271185

Whether or not that that is a subjective view? Or belief? Or if it can be proven that a person's life has "merit" without a God? How could you say that you think a life has "merit" in a non subjective way? That is different than saying a life has "merit" because of a God in a subjective way?

What is "merit"? Is that subjective?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

So, once again, your pathological inability to absorb what i am saying betrays your attempt at logic. By pathological, i mean that you don't necessarily lack the physical equipment to understand, but that you obsession with the concept of a god makes you unable to understand. When i say that people are, that people exist, whether or not anyone alleges that they have merit or a point to their existence, then obviously, they don't need a big, magical sky daddy to give a point to their existence--because they exist whether or not anyone alleges that that existence has merit or a point. See what i mean about pathological? You are so obsessed with the issue of whether or not there is a big, magical sky daddy that you can't see the simple, straight forward proposition that i have offered.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I haven't said that a person's life has merit without a god. Nothing obliges me to defend a position i haven't taken.

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@Frank Apisa,

I do not think he is as careful as you claim...but to each his own...

I think that is a nice thing to do! Wink

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@Setanta,

Sorry "a point"

What does "point" mean? Is that subjective?

What is point in your reference?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

What a bunch of philosophical babes-in-arms you lot are. You might go on until the end of time as you are doing.

Who is incoherent or deluded or which principle demonstrates some unspecified thing or who is correct or being subjective or who is disputing a propositionor who is blurting assertions or making unwarranted assumptions or who is carrying the most bizarre, esoteric baggage or etc etc etc ad infinitum.

And all as a smokescreen for the abject failure to answer my post. Missing the point on purpose.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You'd need to ask John Creasy--he's the hateful, loony god-botherer who thinks that anyone's life has a point. I'm just pointing out that people exist whether or not John Creasy, or you, or anyone else thinks their existence has a point, or in the case of the silliness you've introduced, has merit.

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@Setanta,

Listen...I do not need all your self critiques...and evasions...

IN YOUR OPINION, DO YOU THINK THAT SAYING ONE DOES NOT NEED A MAGICAL SKY DADDY TO GIVE THEIR LIFE A POINT IS A SUBJECTIVE VIEW? OR BELIEF? HOW IS IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN SAYING THAT A LIFE HAS NO POINT WITHOUT A MAGICAL SKY DADDY?

Just answer it nice and simple if you actually want too...

Your last post answered nothing about my question...It tried to beat around it, then have me use this inference that you claim makes me incoherent...

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@Setanta,

I want to ask you...based upon what you have said...not John Creasy...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I haven't said anything about people's lives having a point. What i have said is that people live, they exist, whether or not anyone alleges that their lives have a point. It's getting tedious repeating this, but apparently, you can't seem to take that in.

I'm not obliged to submit to your god-obsessed interrogation. If it's not clear to you now that i consider your question irrelevant, i suspect that it never will be.

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@Setanta,

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When i say that people are, that people exist, whether or not anyone alleges that they have merit or a point to their existence, then obviously, they don't need a big, magical sky daddy to give a point to their existence--because they exist whether or not anyone alleges that that existence has merit or a point

And for the record I have never heard any atheist or theist claim this...

First, "obvious" implies subjectivity...

And second I have never heard any other atheist claim this, in this exact way...and I have never heard a theist say that people would be unable to exist if this God was not there or did not prove himself...In fact a lot claim that there is a free will, and God refuses to violate this...

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@Frank Apisa,

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Comments about who bears the burden of proof may be tiring, but they are necessary when demands for proof arise. And I honestly do not see how a discussion of this sort can "move along" without adherence to the notion of when a burden of proof exists...and who bears it.

My point was that your "rules" for who bears the burden of proof are dependent upon applying Occam's razor. That is what those "rules" are based on.

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@Setanta,

I honesty do not even care enough anymore to go back and look it up...

It is a giant circle, because you claim I am inferring things...which is true...but then I put my interpretation forward, and you argue it is way off base, which I do not think you are being honest about...And I can't prove it...Then I ask you directly since you like to play hardball, and you evade the questions...Then you say ridiculous things...that you do not think are offensive, and must see as normal...I make comments in response, and then you point out me being ill-mannered or something...I think you are just a vindictive guy...And we probably won't ever budge...

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@MattDavis,

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Obviously I can't attest for Setanta's views, but judging by the quote in your comment...
No not all atheists feel that way regarding purpose in life. There are atheistic humanists, atheistic nihilists, and many other philosophical positions that an atheist might have.

Sorry mate...I did not mean to ignore you...I think that that is a very good point...and I agree with you...

It may be subjective/assumptive of me, but I think any honest atheist even hardcore skeptics would have no problem admitting that this is a truthful statement...

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@spendius,

LoL...spendi...You told C.I. to piss off yesterday because he was not following a word game thread correctly...Then I went back and did not even find his flaws...And in that same thread or another one, you and I made about 2 or 3 posts each where we kept posting too fast and messed the game up...

Are you looking for attention? Send me an answer and I will discuss things...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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. . . I have never heard a theist say that people would be unable to exist if this God was not there or did not prove himself . . .

You're getting close, but you're not there yet.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I haven't evaded any question. I've just pointed out that your question is not relevant to my statement.

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