Atheists... Your life is pointless

Well, thanks to Snood, i know i'm not the only one who gets sick of seeing the phony little heart in MOAN's posts . . . how about the rest of you?

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I know what you mean, Set. Anyone who thinks I deserve to burn in Hell forever, must, logically, abhor me. Ergo, MA's expression of love and concern seem a bit insincere. But I force myself to give her the benefit of the doubt. After all, there IS some doubt.

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JLNobody,

Funny, but I don't ever remembering one time telling you or anyone else that they deserve to burn in hell forever and must therefore, logically hate you or them. I have never said that nor would I say that nor do I think that.

If you want to insult me, use the truth and I will accept it gladly.

I tell you what I believe for ME. I tell you how I believe it is for ME.

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Sorry, I did say that I give you the benefit of the doubt. It just seems that it follows (logically) that anyone who endorses a doctrine that condemns non-believers to Hell and that this punishment is deserved because it is God's will would find unbelievers--like me and many A2Kers to be, at least theologically speaking--abhorrent. My brother, a fundamentalist to the core, loves me as I love him. I know that he's convinced his God will send me to eternal damnation eventurally. His love for me reflects an internal conflict. His daughter once wrote to me, after the death of my atheist father, that while he is burning in Hell, there is still hope for me. I responded defiantly.
Funny, isn't it that you believe I should burn in Hell but you do not wish that to be the case. I give you credit for that. I hope your God does too.
Believe me, I did not mean to insult you (although I admit I did). You seem to be a decent person.

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i reserve the right to dissent . . .

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JLNobody Wrote:

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Funny, isn't it that you believe I should burn in Hell but you do not wish that to be the case. I give you credit for that. I hope your God does too.

No, that's not the case. I believe that where you or anyone else spends eternity is between you/their God (or no god, as the case may be). I only know what I believe. I do know that God has compassion all His Creation. I cannot, do not, won't ever, have the authority to condemn anyone to anywhere.

I appreciate your statement about not meaning to insult me. Thank you for that.

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As JLN as explained, those people that believe in the christian religion must follow in their god's teachings which says unbelievers will burn in hell for eternity. That's the fact.
That many christians would rationalize this fact to say "it's not their hope/wish" seems rather insincere/hypocritical - but that's just me. Otherwise their agreements with many of the bible's teachings would be moot.

As they say in Timbukto, it is or it isn't.

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Eorl wrote:

I see a universe and conclude that a universe exists.
You see a universe and conclude that a god exists.
...which conclussion is laughable?

neither

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Belief is ignorance....or it would be called knowledge.

If that is the case, then your belief that there is no God is ignorance or else it would be knowledge.

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Touche, JC. As I see it, all belief--and that includes what we call "knowledge"--is a form of inevitable and unavoidable ignorance. A thousand years from now our descendants (if there be any) will conclude that all our "beliefs" (even our scientifically-supported beliefs) amusing. But for now such beliefs are what we have; the main thing is that they "work", that they enable us (despite their philosophical limiations) to predict and control.

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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As JLN as explained, those people that believe in the christian religion must follow in their god's teachings which says unbelievers will burn in hell for eternity. That's the fact.
That many christians would rationalize this fact to say "it's not their hope/wish" seems rather insincere/hypocritical - but that's just me. Otherwise their agreements with many of the bible's teachings would be moot.

As they say in Timbukto, it is or it isn't.

Let's see if I have this right, ok? I am told that it is the Christians that say you are going to hell if you don't believe that you don't like. I say, "that is between you and God, as I have no right, etc." to do that. Then, when you seem to be getting what you want, you say, "oops, oh no, you can't believe like that! It's not what the Bible says!"

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(You is not meant as you in anyone particular here.)

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I don't intend to go through 58 previous pages so I apologize if this has already been said.

Speaking of "this life" perhaps "the point" of an atheists life is to tell theists to WAKE UP before its too late ! This is certainly the message from Sam Harris "The end of Faith."

Harris points out that so called religious moderation expressed as "tolerance" for other faiths is merely the position of the expedient turning a blind eye the more bloodthirsty commands of the "sacred texts". As we know to our cost, such a position carries no "moral weight" with their more fundamentalist brethren who wish to run amok with modern technology to speed "glorious exit" from this life.

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No, Fresco, that's a refreshing bit of input . . . and bound to endear you to the god squad . . .

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Sorry, MA, it isn't between me and god. I don't believe in god, but you do. As a consequence of your beliefs, you must believe and agree with the teachings of the bible. Or else, all else that it teaches is moot.

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John Creasy wrote:

Eorl wrote:

I see a universe and conclude that a universe exists.
You see a universe and conclude that a god exists.
...which conclussion is laughable?

neither

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Belief is ignorance....or it would be called knowledge.

If that is the case, then your belief that there is no God is ignorance or else it would be knowledge.

Couldn't agree more JC.

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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Sorry, MA, it isn't between me and god. I don't believe in god, but you do. As a consequence of your beliefs, you must believe and agree with the teachings of the bible. Or else, all else that it teaches is moot.

I believe I said or not as the case may be, didn't I? And if you don't believe in God and you don't think it's between you and God, that's fine. But, what right have you to tell anyone how to follow something you don't even believe in?

I do not tell you how not to believe there is a God. I don't tell you how to do anything.

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Momma Angel,

Do you think atheists have a right to defend themselves from the consequences of your belief ?

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Frankly Fresco,

I am not sure what consequences anyone would have to face because of what I believe anymore than I imagine I would have to face consequences for what you do or don't believe.

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MA, what if you and people with your religious beliefs should support political forces that lead to a theocracy in America? Would you call that a desireable "consequence?"

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JLNobody Wrote:

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MA, what if you and people with your religious beliefs should support political forces that lead to a theocracy in America? Would you call that a desireable "consequence?"

I guess you are going to have to be a bit more specific JLN.

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Here is one example MA. This is not a pipe dream. It is happening now.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/biblical_law2.htm#Biblical

and

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

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