Atheists... Your life is pointless

@FBM,

OK, well I apologize...

But lets start here...

Izzythepush wrote:

So the fact that Albania declared itself the first Atheist Nation has nothing to do with anything. It's very convenient to give atheism a free pass by blaming it on something else. Religious types do this all the time. You can also argue that in all cases of religious persecution money has been at the root of it all. It's one thing for atheists to claim intellectual superiority but to claim moral superiority is just as delusional and simplistic as any dogma.

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@izzythepush,

I was about to bring that up also mate...but I did remember that FBM did not bring that up previously...So I was just about to do so...thank you...

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

And it ain't just here. Thankfully, though, world religiosity is on the decline. People are starting to wake up to reason.

The one thing we don't want is religiosity to be replaced by a simplistic form of militant atheism that is as blind to the harm man is capable of inflicting on others, in the pursuit of self interest, as any religious dogma.

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@izzythepush,

So anyway, red herrings aside, got any evidence of this god of yours yet?

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@FBM,

Why is that a red herring? Seriously...If it is not off limits for you to bring up the mass killings of beliefs, as well as ask for a shred of evidence...Then why become offended if someone flips the table and asks you to explain the persecution of Muslims from Buddhists? You did that to me once before when I brought up precepts, and Bodhisattva...Is it easier to put your head in the sand like an ostrich does?

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@FBM,

What god would that be?

I've not promoted any religion, what I have attacked are simple answers, and dogma, wherever it lies.

Your comment about the crusades suggested that such actions could never happen if everyone was an atheist, but the recent debacle in Iraq was more about oil than GW Bush's Christianity. Although his claiming to be guided by the hand of God really helped drive that message home to the unthinking masses. Over here Tony Blair found it had the opposite effect, and he constantly dodged the question about whether he prayed with GW Bush.

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@FBM,

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Re: izzythepush (Post 5269130)
So anyway, red herrings aside, got any evidence of this god of yours yet?

I doubt very seriously if Izzy or Spade or anyone else has any (unambiguous) evidence or proof of their god.

Let me ask you this, though...does this lead you to assert that there are no gods...or are you content to have this lead you just to: Izzy and Spade cannot provide evidence of their god?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Izzy and Spade cannot provide evidence of their god?

Who says I've got a God?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Re: izzythepush (Post 5269130)
So anyway, red herrings aside, got any evidence of this god of yours yet?

I doubt very seriously if Izzy or Spade or anyone else has any (unambiguous) evidence or proof of their god.

Let me ask you this, though...does this lead you to assert that there are no gods...or are you content to have this lead you just to: Izzy and Spade cannot provide evidence of their god?

You and I have discussed this before, no? Pyrrhonian skepticism and so forth? No, unless I'm speaking rhetorically (for effect), I don't claim to know that no such gods exist. If you're not sure when I'm speaking rhetorically and when I'm making a truth statement, just let me know and I'll clarify myself. I understand that sometimes the context doesn't make it obvious.

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@izzythepush,

Sorry, Izzy...I was just taking off on FBM's statement.

I withdraw your name from my question...but the question still stands for FBM.

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@FBM,

Oops, thanks for answering it, FBM.

I suspected that was the case, but just wanted to be sure.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why is that a red herring? Seriously...If it is not off limits for you to bring up the mass killings of beliefs, as well as ask for a shred of evidence...Then why become offended if someone flips the table and asks you to explain the persecution of Muslims from Buddhists? You did that to me once before when I brought up precepts, and Bodhisattva...Is it easier to put your head in the sand like an ostrich does?

What makes you think I was offended by anything?

The red herring is that the damage that religions have done over the centuries to mankind is no evidence for or against the existence of any god. It's a separate issue. An important one, but not one that actually speaks to the core question of whether or not your god is anywhere else except in your imagination.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

What god would that be?

Your guess is as good as mine. There are hundreds proposed, if not thousands.

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I've not promoted any religion, what I have attacked are simple answers, and dogma, wherever it lies.

If that's true, you seem to be doing it in a very dogmatic fashion.

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Your comment about the crusades suggested that such actions could never happen if everyone was an atheist, but the recent debacle in Iraq was more about oil than GW Bush's Christianity. Although his claiming to be guided by the hand of God really helped drive that message home to the unthinking masses. Over here Tony Blair found it had the opposite effect, and he constantly dodged the question about whether he prayed with GW Bush.

You're reading something into my statements that isn't there. There is plenty of secular inhumanity and I made that clear earlier.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Oops, thanks for answering it, FBM.

I suspected that was the case, but just wanted to be sure.

No sweat.

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@FBM,

All that I want to know from your posts and a honest answer to is whether your comment to Izzy about the red herring was referring to him making the statement that said Buddhists have persecuted Muslims?

Because to be honest you did the same exact thing when I challenged you about Buddhism...

And we (I do not think Izzy was) (I will say I because you have said it to me as well, and I wanted to bring it up myself)...I was not trying to change the subject or shift it...I know I wanted to bring it up myself to prove a relevant point that at least some forms of said atheism contribute to killings...that can't be denied...unless you are willing to concede that Buddhism is just an actual belief...and not an atheistic-theology...?

Why did you imply that Izzy was trying to divert the conversation if you were not offended by the Buddhism claim? And did not want to answer it?

Lets start this way...Do you deny these persecutions took place? If you think they have...Do you think this is because of the solely theological aspects of Buddhism? If you do, do you deny the atheistic aspect of Buddhism? If you do not, does this mean that you would agree that at least a said form of atheism has contributed to killings in at least one instance?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

What reason would anyone have to buy that "gift of prophecy" bullshit you like to spread?

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

There is plenty of secular inhumanity and I made that clear earlier.

Although with your snide remarks about the crusades you constantly suggest that while violence perpetrated by atheists has nothing to do with atheism, violence committed by the religious is down to religion.

Most violence comes down to one thing, the desire for what the other person has. The Crusades were no different, it was all about increasing the power and influence of Rome, and those monarchs who made up Christendom, religion was a convenient excuse.

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@izzythepush,

True; in a nutshell any man-made organization is to get power and wealth.

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@Setanta,

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What reason would anyone have to buy that "gift of prophecy" bullshit you like to spread?

Who said that you or anyone actually has to do this? I don't think people should just blindly accept what I say...because if a God does exist he is going to validate himself to each person in the way they would need to know him, and in a way that they would personally know is God which would be different than what I would need to see myself...If a God(s) exist(s)...I do not talk about it to try to get anyone to "buy it"...I know that almost no one will believe it is true so I have nothing to gain but mocking, persecution, condescension, laughing stock etc...

The fact that you and others bring it up while you say you think it is bullshit, actually points to that not being 100% true...even if you actually do believe I am 100% full of bullshit...that has something to do with the way certain individuals rationalize their own conscience or whatever they chose to call it...personally...

I only pointed out that from a rational stand point, I think it is far better to be delusional but understand that you may be or are...

Then it is to be so oblivious to the awareness of everything that surrounds you to make claims about how someone trolls while you are doing it yourself...Or another example is you going around and constantly pointing out how hateful you think other individuals are, but are so oblivious you do not understand that your ways are no different, and are possibly even worse because you decide to point it out to them, but can't even see you are just as guilty...

Or it is the other option, that is, that you actually enjoy doing it, and know that you do it yourself which would be the worst of them all...

Because it would mean you are totally disingenuous about everything you say...and it would mean the sole reason you are doing it is just to be nothing but malicious if you know you do it yourself and make no efforts to stop while doing nothing but pointing out how you think others do this themselves...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

In a nutshell: It would mean that you do not even find value in the things you say or claim to/about others yourself...So there would be no reason at all to do it to anyone...if you are not interested in listening to someone else explain how they think you do it also...Or it means that they have no real reason to actually listen to what you are saying to them...even if you are correct and have valid points...If you do not lead by example, then why or who is honestly going to care or think that what you're saying is actually correct? Even if it is actually correct...

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