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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 05:33 am
Managed to double-post.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 05:46 am
@FBM,
It's incredibly easy and simplistic to blame all life's ills on religion. The implication being that once people stop believing in a hereafter atrocities will no longer occur.

Greed will still be with us if we all became atheists overnight. The reason people have dominated others is because they want their resources. Religion may have been used as a cover for such action, but it's not the real reason.

You can fool yourself into thinking that Hitler's Catholicism was the sole reason for the Holocaust, but it's roots lay very much in the eugenics movement.

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Throughout history, eugenics remains a controversial concept. As a social movement, eugenics reached its greatest popularity in the early decades of the 20th century. At this point in time, eugenics was practiced around the world and was promoted by governments, and influential individuals and institutions. Many countries enacted various eugenics policies and programs, including: genetic screening, birth control, promoting differential birth rates, marriage restrictions, segregation (both racial segregation and segregation of the mentally ill from the rest of the population), compulsory sterilization, forced abortions or forced pregnancies and genocide. Most of these policies were later regarded as coercive and/or restrictive, and now few jurisdictions implement policies that are explicitly labeled as eugenic or unequivocally eugenic in substance.

The way eugenics was practiced in this period involved "interventions", which is a euphemistic name for the identification and classification of individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals and entire racial groups — such as the Roma and Jews — as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalisation of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the extreme case of Nazi Germany, their mass extermination.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

There's a certain smugness about people who attempt to excuse themselves from the horrors that humanity inflicts upon others by claiming to espouse a philosophy that is innocent of bloodshed. It's a simplistic view that's no different from a fundamentalist preacher's fire and damnation approach, and every bit as dangerous.
FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:18 am
@izzythepush,
Where have I tried to blame all of life's ills or man's inhumanity to man on religion? All I've done is point out that there's a lot on religions' records and none on atheism's.

Eugenics is a secular concept, but there's nothing inherently atheist about it. People did not set out to engineer humans to be atheists; they set out to make them physically and intellectually superlative. Your reference is a complete non sequitur.

I'm willing to bet that you can't name a single event in which people were killed or even persecuted specifically in the name of spreading atheism or to persecute believers for their belief. Maybe to force people to kow-tow to a fascism or nationalism, over territory disputes, political differences, etc, sure, but the simple truth is that atheists aren't willing to kill in order to spread atheism. Very many powerful theists throughout history have.

The strongest action I've seen an atheist take to spread atheism is to give a lecture in front of a crowd of people. Wooo! Does that scare you? Do you feel oppressed by someone expressing their ideas that conflict with your? Why so insecure?

What's so inhumane or repressive about an atheist discussing his ideas? As long as theists openly discuss their beliefs, I'll feel perfectly within my rights to peacefully discuss my lack of such beliefs. What's good for the goose, etc. Sorry, but I do not accept your slanted playing field.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:23 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I'm willing to bet that you can't name a single event in which people were killed or even persecuted expressly in the name of spreading atheism or to persecute believers for their belief. Fascism, nationalism, territory disputes, political differences, etc, sure, but the simple truth is that atheists aren't willing to kill in order to spread atheism. Very many powerful theists throughout history have.


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As early as 1945 (when the Communists came to power in Albania) laws were set down that dispossessed religious institutions of their property.[17] This most especially affected the Bektashis, a Sufi order that included 20% of Albania's Muslim population, as they had their tekkes outside of cities and depended for support on their surrounding properties. Roman Catholics (who constituted 10% of Albania's population) had their schools taken away from them by this measure.

At the close of the war, certain religious leaders were imprisoned or executed on grounds that they were spies, that they had worked for the Italians (Mussolini had occupied Albania) or that they were affiliated with Balli Kombetar (a group that had lost out to the Communists). These leaders typically spent decades in prison and hard labour. Baba Murteza of Kruje was tortured and thrown from a prison window to his death in 1946; Baba Kamil Glava of Tepelen was executed by a court in Gjirokastër in 1946; Baba Ali Tomori was executed by a court in 1947; and Baba Shefket Koshtani of Tepelan was shot by a court in 1947. The following Sunni clerics also disappeared: Mustafa Effendi Varoshi (mufti of Durrës), Hafez Ibrahim Dibra (former grand mufti of Albania), and Sheh Xhemel Pazari of Tirana. By 1968, up to 200 religious leaders of all faiths may have been executed or imprisoned.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_Christians_in_the_Eastern_Bloc#People.27s_Republic_of_Albania
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FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:28 am
This was done to spread Communism, not atheism.
Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:42 am
Izzy was just trying to get a rise out of someone . . . he was being a troll . . . don't feed him.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:43 am
@Zardoz,
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I spent 10 years of my life studying metaphysics different type of mystics and I never found one nugget of truth in any of it.


Respectfully as possible, Zardoz, this sounds like more a problem with your ability to find things...than with the things you were studying. Fact is, it sounds almost impossible.

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I agree greed is one of the main problems facing us today but religion wants to puts all in a grave.


So does nature!

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Most religions foretell of a world ending apocalypse...


So does science!
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FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:45 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Izzy was just trying to get a rise out of someone . . . he was being a troll . . . don't feed him.


Gotcha.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:50 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

This was done to spread Communism, not atheism.


So the fact that Albania declared itself the first Atheist Nation has nothing to do with anything. It's very convenient to give atheism a free pass by blaming it on something else. Religious types do this all the time. You can also argue that in all cases of religious persecution money has been at the root of it all. It's one thing for atheists to claim intellectual superiority but to claim moral superiority is just as delusional and simplistic as any dogma.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:52 am
@Setanta,
You can ******* talk Malvolio.

I didn't bring up the crusades in a smug way to show off my obvious moral superiority to everyone else.
Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:56 am
@izzythepush,
Neither did i.
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FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 06:58 am
Nationaligion.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:09 am
Talk about some serious ******* gull man...really...It is sickening to listen to...I do not understand why some do not believe that a God or Jesus existed...Because some on here act like they think they can turn water into wine...and walk on water...2 Cents
FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:10 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
All I ask is for some shred of evidence.
Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:12 am
Some people around here claim that god talks to them, and that they can prophecy . . . the bullshit is spread deeply here . . .
FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:13 am
@Setanta,
And it ain't just here. Thankfully, though, world religiosity is on the decline. People are starting to wake up to reason.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:18 am
@FBM,
I was not thinking about you...

However, I do think you know that the way atheism is self described it is virtually impossible to pin mass killings on no beliefs...While it is not very plausible that this is actually a true statement...it is just self described in ways that it can not really be pinned with...atheism as the entity it is seems more concerned with having no association to murders that beliefs cause (to them) then actually explaining what a theist is buying into in rejecting a theism and following atheism...Or having no beliefs...because once this happens...it is almost certain that these killings will happen...

If my memory is correct, didn't you say you do not follow the other side of Buddhism because they were burning Christian Churches and killing Christians?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:23 am
I would rather think that God has given me a gift of prophecy and know that I constantly do negative actions...and make mistakes all the damn time...Then to bring up how someone is trolling while I am trolling my GD self...and then rationalizing how it is completely different in some sort of twisted way, or because I am so twisted that I enjoy trolling and constantly saying it to others every single friggen time that I think they may be...It shows absolutely no concept whatsoever of rationality...much more than one who claims to have a prophetic gift, who knows they are not perfect, and it can not be proven...
FBM
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:24 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
No, your memory is faulty there. It's the Christians who are burning and assaulting ancient Buddhist relics and temples. Nothing like that has been done by Buddhists in Korea, to my knowledge. The side of Buddhism that I don't follow is the religious side, where they have lifted the status of the Buddha to a god-like entity. Like the way Christians do with Jesus.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 4 Mar, 2013 07:32 am
@FBM,
It was the persecution of Moslems in Burma by those who claim to be Buddhists that kicked this all off.
 

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