Atheists... Your life is pointless

@reasoning logic,

I consistently do say that I think things are different than what the Bible says...

Why do I believe in God? Because I do not need a book...Or any subjective thought to know why I believe there is a God....Or what I think...And experience does not need to be validated to anyone else but me....And everything everyone else experiences is what validates it for them...

Only a real living God would know how to relate to everyone...Rather than proving himself to everyone...In one way...

It would mean his is limited...And is not "God"...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I consistently do say that I think things are different than what the Bible says...

Are you saying that you do not believe in the bible?

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@reasoning logic,

What I said is what I said...I think things will be different then what the Bible says...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I think things will be different then what the Bible says...

Then why believe it?

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@reasoning logic,

I think that means he doesn't, really. Maybe he's just cobbling together hopes and dreams and gets excited on those rare occasions it coincides with religious literature? Just a best guess, of course.

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@FBM,

I think he is becoming agnostic.

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@reasoning logic,

I am not becoming agnostic mate...But I have said that I think you maybe are one...Or it seems you maybe instead of an atheist-christian...Do you think this is true? Or would you say you are someone who is sure a God does not exist...But that you are also sure there are Christian morals you embrace?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I am not becoming agnostic mate...But I have said that I think you maybe are one...Or it seems you maybe instead of an atheist-christian...Do you think this is true? Or would you say you are someone who is sure a God does not exist...But that you are also sure there are Christian morals you embrace?

I personally think the likelihood of a God existing is far from being close to anything else that you could dream up and have never seen. The reason I say this is because some of the things we are able to dream up we may be able to make one day but you will never be able to make a God.

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@reasoning logic,

That did not really answer any question I have asked you...But explained how I am wrong in thinking a God exists...In your opinions...

So then you are SURE a God does not exist? Because it can never be fully conceived? or created?

And you are SURE that morals that this factually created God...Is said to have said, are good morals to follow?...While you are SURE he does not exist because he can not be conceived or created?

Or would you say you are UNSURE about both?

If you are...Why would you call yourself an atheist-Christian? And not an agnostic then?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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So then you are SURE a God does not exist?

I am not sure of anything I can not see exist. There may or may not be invisible flying unicorns, "flying around you everywhere you go but if I can not see them or I am not able to acknowledge that they are real, why should I even take this type of thinking one step further? To me that seems to be going into a psychosis state of mind.

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@reasoning logic,

But then why back morals that this God has said...If you think he is make believe?

You do realize your own position destroys that whole garbage about unicorns and FSM?

Since unicorns and FSM do not exist...Or almost no one would say that they do...If people came out and created a book that a supposed head unicorn, or head FSM created...Would you also think it is logical to back a book that you thought people created about this head unicorn? Or head Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or would you say that it is all illogical? Compared to being an atheist-christian?

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@reasoning logic,

Reasoning Logic I have read and reread Psalm 137.9. I have read many explanations from clergy but on face value it is simply third party revenge. Usually third party revenge comes from those who feel powerless to defeat their enemy directly and seek revenge in an indirect method. As Mosses showed us killing children during biblical times was common. Frankly I am baffled that so many people point to child killers as their moral inspirations. Only the power of the cult can explain it. When a person becomes subject to a cult his judgment is replaced by the judgment of cult leaders.

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@izzythepush,

Izzythepush I will concede the point that they are not talking about their own children but in effect are not all children are own in some respects. In a given situation where a child was in danger would we not intercede to protect that child? If your wife ran off with another man would you seek revenge by killing his children? Would that make you happy? “Happy shall you be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

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@reasoning logic,

You often like to say that Santa is similar to a God...Now that you have reached the age of reasoning...Is there anything about believing in Santa that seems logical to you? Anything at all? Is there any reason why we tell Children there is one? Only to tell them later there is not? If you can't find anything logical about it...But claim that you back morals from Jesus...Then you must not see them the same ways...Even if you think you do...

And you backing morals about Jesus, because man has written them...has no bearing....Because that would be like saying...Well I do not see anything logical about Santa...but if men wrote about him in a book...I would find value to it....

When the fact of the matter is...You see no logic to any of those things you say...Unicorns, FSM, Tooth Fairy, Great Pumpkin, Gremlins, Leprechauns, Fairy's, etc...Or people who may claim they exist...Or even if they write books about them....

But you must see some logic to a God or the ones who wrote about him...

Since you back morals, that come from a book...(the morals of the God or people you do back) And do not about any of those other creatures you say are non-existent....And do not back in any such way...

So it is not the same thing...

Or do you find any morals about any of them?

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@Zardoz,

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Reasoning Logic I have read and reread Psalm 137.9.

I am glad someone did. Cool

I was wondering when someone was going comment on what I said.

The reason you can not see it any other way is because you do not have the faith to see it differently.

I think you may get a kick out of this and establish some faith.

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@Zardoz,

As far as I'm concerned this was not a morality issue but one of credibility. Of course vengeance isn't the answer, and I don't need to go into that any further.

You started off by making a very sweeping statement about the Bible which has turned out to be incorrect. I appreciate the fact that you've recognised your mistake, not a lot of people would have the guts to do that, but it was a long time coming.

Memory alone is very tricky, and it's so tempting to post without checking, but you end up with egg on your face. We've all done it, and I've been made to look like a bloody idiot or more than one occasion.

I do read your posts and find them a lot more interesting than some, but if you want to be taken seriously you've got to get your facts right. If not, you end up like RL, who is quite a nice bloke, but I take everything he posts with a pinch of salt.

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@izzythepush,

Well stated, and I agree. We are all prone to make mistakes; that's human, but some have difficulty admitting it. Mr. Green

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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But then why back morals that this God has said...If you think he is make believe?

I will back some of the morals that are in the bible. If a serial killer wrote a book with some morals in it I would back them up as well even though I may not agree with all of what he says.

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.If people came out and created a book that a supposed head unicorn, or head FSM created...Would you also think it is logical to back a book that you thought people created about this head unicorn? Or head Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or would you say that it is all illogical? Compared to being an atheist-christian?

If you and I were both brought up in a society that believed in this nonsense and there were moral truths in it "yes I would back up the moral truths.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If you can't find anything logical about it...But claim that you back morals from Jesus...Then you must not see them the same ways...Even if you think you do...

If Santa shared moral understanding then Yes I would back up these moral understandings.

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And you backing morals about Jesus, because man has written them...has no bearing....Because that would be like saying...Well I do not see anything logical about Santa...but if men wrote about him in a book...I would find value to it....

Can you explain how that would have no bearing?

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But you must see some logic to a God or the ones who wrote about him..

I see logic in moral concepts as they add value and I see logic in immoral concepts but I find no value in them.

Moral philosophy combined with Aixology may help you if you ever care to study. Smile

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@reasoning logic,

You,

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If Santa shared moral understanding then Yes I would back up these moral understandings.

Kriste! Believing in two imaginary individuals makes you even more illogical.

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