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@reasoning logic,

Yes, I am certain...How could I be kicking a can, if Frank does not tell me how he is certain he disagrees with what I have said so I know, he is not uncertain or trolling?

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There are no other possibilities?

Can you name ONE?

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Are you certain that all things are fully explainable?

No, I am not certain about all things...Am I certain he could tell me he is certain he disagress so that I know he understands me, or is not trolling? Yes, I am certain he could do that if he wanted too, or if he understood me...

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Do you think that you could share all of your knowledge about God with Frank?

If I had the time, or wanted to do so, yes...Do I know all there is to know about God?, No I do not..

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Do think that it could be possible that some of our ideas just cant make sense to others?

Yes, I think it is possible...But I also think it is possible that someone can say they do not know if they agree because they simply do not understand what another person is saying...

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Could it be that frank was pointing out that the way you word things do not make sense at times?

Sure...Could it be that Frank does not understand what I say at times because he does not understand the points I am making? And it is not a lack of comprehension? Do you understand what I have to share? And when you agree or disagree, do you do that because it is lack of comprehension? Or because you understand me, but just do not see it the same way?

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Maybe hes just having fun trying to make sense of what you are sharing, Could it be challenging in a way? kinda like trying to figure out a cross word puzzle? Maybe you are puzzling to him.

Why not just say that it is a puzzle to him that he does not understand yet? Rather than saying it is lack of comprehension...from me?

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Some times I wonder if it could be easier to just reach down and pick up the can and hand it to the other person and move on or look for a new can.

This is true, but sometimes you have to try to work with that same can otherwise you feel like you are not doing a good job of representing yourself....Before moving on to another can...If you can't do it with one can, why move anto another can?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Yes, I am certain...How could I be kicking a can, if Frank does not tell me how he is certain he disagrees with what I have said so I know, he is not uncertain or trolling?

Please tell me what I have disagreed with you about...and I will tell you with absolute certainty why I disagree with you about it.

I want you to be specific...not this nebulous nonsense you so often post.

Pick out something I specifically disagreed with you...and I will tell you exactly why I disagree with you.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Sure...Could it be that Frank does not understand what I say at times because he does not understand the points I am making?

It could also be that on many (perhaps, most) occasions...you are damn near incomprehensible. Your writing and communications skills are not especially good.

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@Frank Apisa,

That is my point Frank, that you do not seem to understand yet again...You never have said you disagreed with me about a single topic...So if you have not told me what you disagree or agree for that matter with what I have said...How do I know you understand what I have said at all? And are not saying I have lack of comprehension, because it is only you who can not understand it?..Do you think I have not said my views to you before? Or others? How come other people tell me how they disagree with me? But you are unable to do it? If I truly have lack of comprehension like you say...And others would agree with you?

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@Frank Apisa,

I would agree that my skills are not very good...However other people can understand the general notion of what I am saying, and asking...

So if it is bad grammar, then I agree, if you are saying it is lack of comprehension...That is indeed incorrect...You just do not understand me, because other people do...Which proves it is you who does not understand me and not just me...Because other people can...

Or you are just saying that to dig at me...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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That is my point Frank, that you do not seem to understand yet again...You never have said you disagreed with me about a singlt topic...So if you have not told me what you disagree or agree for that matter with what I have said...How do I know you understand what I have said at all? And are not saying I have lack of comprehension, because it is only you who can not understand it?..Do you think I have not said my views to you before? Or others? How come other people tell me how they disagree with me? But you are unable to do it? If I truly have lack of comprehension like you say...And others would agree with you?

One thing I am saying, SM, is that you cannot write a coherent thought in a meaningful way. Most of the time I cann0t agree or disagree with what you are saying because what you are trying to say is damn near unfathomable. In addition, you often paraphrase rather than actually quote what I say...so that it becomes virtually impossible to deal rationally with your response.

Make one reasonable statement with which you think I might be in disagreement…and I will tell you IF I disagree; why I disagree; and why I am certain I disagree. Try to stay away from my opinions of your writing skills…go to something of substance on the topics being discussed. Perhaps we can get this out of the way.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I would agree that my skills are not very good...

So would I...in spades.

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However other people can understand the general notion of what I am saying, and asking...

I am not interested in the "general notion"...I am interested in what you are actually saying.

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So if it is bad grammar, then I agree, if you are saying it is lack of comprehension...That is indeed incorrect...

It is poor communication skills, for certain...but you also are seriously lacking in comprehension skills. Apparently you do not think so, but I suspect that is because of your faulty comprehension skills.

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You just do not understand me, because other people do...Which proves it is you who does not understand me and not just me...Because other people can...

Read this fragment out loud to yourself...and tell me how anyone can make any sense of it. How can I respond rationally to that kind of nonsense?

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No, it most ass

Or you are just saying that to dig at me...

I am not trying to dig at you...or anything else you might suspect. I am trying to make sense out of what you are trying to communicate to me. I am not having much luck...and I am of the opinion that the problem lies with your poor communication skills...not with my comprehension abilities.

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@Frank Apisa,

It is my opinion that people know for certain whether they think a God exist or does not exist...

Do you disagree with this statement? If you do please tell me how you are CERTAIN that you disagree with it...

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@Frank Apisa,

Anyday you want a game of spades mate...Just tell me the time and place...

I too think you lack the comprehension mate...Because I can see that other people can understand me, but Frank can not...

I disagree mate...I think it is your comprehension abilities...

Other people understand me, but Frank does not...Therefore Frank can not be 100% correct that it is my comprehension alone...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I am certain that I disagree with it because I have no way of knowing whether they know or are simply asserting that they do and acting accordingly for various reasons.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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It is my opinion that people know for certain whether they think a God exist or does not exist...

I do not agree or disagree with it, because it is a poorly crafted sentence. It supposes that all people think either that there is a GOD...OR that there are no gods.

I will say this: The people who think there is a GOD...or who think there are no gods...DO KNOW FOR CERTAIN that they think there is a GOD or that there are no gods.

Go on from there.

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@Frank Apisa,

No go on from there....This is all I needed to hear...You may have missed it, but I did not...So you can not say with CERTAINTY how you disagree?

Would you say that your answer is an answer of CERTAINTY? OR UNCERTAINTY?

Think about it

"I can not agree, or disagree"

If it is an answer of UNCERTAINTY, to you, as you say you can not know...

Then you already proved my point and no need to go farther...

You do not understand people or me because you lack comprehension yourself...

You should have told me why you disagreed with certainty...Like I asked...

A correct answer from your perspective would have been something like...

I can not disagree with that with certainty, because the things you have asked or said are not certain to me...There was no need to say you could not agree with certainty...

So the answer to my question from your perspective would have been...I can't disagree with that question with certainty....End...Nothing else...

But you did not, instead you started out with how poor of a sentence it was....

Which also shows you ARE saying things just to dig at me...

Or you do not have focus...

Because at no point did I ask in the question what you opinion of the craftiness of the question actually was...

So it is you who does not understand...with comprehension...

And at no point did I ask you what other people suppose, I asked you what you can disagree with certainty about...

And if it is a poor sentence you could only disagree from you perspective, because it is poor to you...you would not be able to think it is poor, and agree with it as well?, or else it can't be a poor sentence?, unless you actually like agreeing with poor sentences...?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

My answer WAS an answer of certainty, SM.

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The people who think there is a GOD...or who think there are no gods...DO KNOW FOR CERTAIN that they think there is a GOD or that there are no gods.

Go on from there.

For you to be lecturing me on comprehension makes no more sense than you lecturing me on exposition. Try to stay away from it.

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@Frank Apisa,

I don't want to go on from there because you did not get it yet...

So other people not knowing for certain...Is why you are certain?

Or are you certain that you do not know? Or are you uncertain you do not know?

And yes, I will point out your comprehension errors since you like to point out mine, because it petains to the conversations...and it is lack of comprehension to tell me why it is a poor sentence or what other people suppose when I did not ask that...

But asked you directly what you disagree with certainty about the single question I asked you...

Whether or not you think I should be lecturing you is irrelevant...Once again...

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@Frank Apisa,

Sorry meant so other people knowing for certain is why you are certain? Or uncertain?

Or are you certain that you do not know? or uncertain that you do not know?

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@spendius,

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I am certain that I disagree with it because I have no way of knowing whether they know or are simply asserting that they do and acting accordingly for various reasons.

In the interest of balance I ought to have added that I have no way of knowing whether those who claim not to be crushed and awed by the infinite meaninglessness of their universe are simply asserting that they are not and acting accordingly for various reasons and the more emphatic the assertions the more it looks like it is themselves they are trying to convince.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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It is my opinion that people know for certain whether they think a God exist or does not exist.

I think that all people reading this know for certain whether they think a God exist or does not. If you were to ask me I would say "yes I know for certain whether I think a god exist or does not, I do not know if he does or does not exist but I do know for certain that I have thought about it.

Now I do have to say if you were to talk to a small child about this he may not know for certain whether or not he thinks with certainty because he may not understand the concept.

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@reasoning logic,

OK, well once we grow to an age of reason there is no reason to take the position of being uncertain? Would you agree?

Also, if you have opinions on whether a God exists or does not does this mean that you are saying that atheists have a belief about God?

Whether or not you are certain a God actually is or is not does not matter...

I am just asking you about the Belief

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5206407)
I don't want to go on from there because you did not get it yet...

So other people not knowing for certain...Is why you are certain?

Or are you certain that you do not know? Or are you uncertain you do not know?

And yes, I will point out your comprehension errors since you like to point out mine, because it petains to the conversations...and it is lack of comprehension to tell me why it is a poor sentence or what other people suppose when I did not ask that...

But asked you directly what you disagree with certainty about the single question I asked you...

Whether or not you think I should be lecturing you is irrelevant...Once again...

You should be doing something other than engaging in discussion and debate on the Internet, SM.

You are incomprehensible.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

SpadeMaster I also have a lack of belief in fire breathing dragons, I don’t know what fire breathing dragons think, I don’t know whether they want to be worshiped. I am not sure it would want churches built in its honor. Or have graven images made of it.

When you open the door to imagination anything can walk through that door. Some people believe in Vampires and some actually believe they are Vampires can you say your imagination is any more valid than theirs? People can use their imagination to destroy the world.

While you say you cannot know what god thinks there are people on every street corner in America who are sure they know exactly what he thinks and are willing to tell everyone else. Osama was more than glad to tell his followers what his god thought and what he wanted. His god he said wanted them to kill thousands and if they did his god would reward them with 21 virgins. I saw one cartoon take on that and when the bomber got to the afterlife god did provide him with 21 virgins but they were male. It seems god had a sense of humor.

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