Atheists... Your life is pointless

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I think it could be possible, but I do not think it happened that way...

Do I understand you correctly? You think it "could" be possible for it to happen without a God?

@reasoning logic,

Unless you are telling me it is IMPOSSIBLE for everything to always have been...

...then it IS POSSIBLE.

The only things that are impossible are impossible things. If a thing is not IMPOSSIBLE...it is possible. (We are not talking about whether it is probable or not...or the degree of probability.)

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I am not making any assertions other than we do not know what is possible about the things we do not fully understand. I would not go out on a limb and make a claim that anything we can not prove to be impossible could be possible because that would breath life to a circular argument.

I am talking about proof here...not even about probability. We are discussing whether a thing is possible or impossible. Unless you establish that a thing is not possible...then it is possible. I honestly do not see an alternative to that.

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Unless you are asserting that it is impossible to have invisible flying fairies screwing you in both ears...then we have to assume it is possible.

Okay, if you want to get into that...then my answer would be: Yes.

If we cannot establish that it is impossible...then it must be possible...no matter how unliikely.

But let me ask you once again: Are you saying it is impossible for everything to always have existed? And if you are not, why would you have any trouble with saying "we have to assume it is possible?"

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@reasoning logic,

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Re: XXSpadeMasterXX (Post 5205496)
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I think he is just saying that it is a possibility that everything always was...And if so, then everything would be infinite, and eternal...And have no probable outcomes...Cause it always was...

Do you think it could be possible that it was this way and no God was needed to create it?

My answer to this would be: ABSOLUTELY.

There is absolutely NO NEED for a GOD.

At the same time, there is nothing to suggest a GOD or gods ARE IMPOSSIBLE.

Both are possible.

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@reasoning logic,

No mate, you are not...Anything is possible in terms of possibilites....

The fact that people say that life came from nothing gives it possibilites...I do not agree with that thinking...

It is harder to believe that everything came from nothingness...Than it is to believe that a superior being has done it all...and has reasons for everything...

Because it is one complex being, = everything... not almost infinite things to = one thing...Existence...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5205490)
One of the reasons why I chose not to discuss it Frank.

What does this sentence mean?

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Is because you do not ask me to explain it, because you do not understand it....But you act nasty in your ways of trying to communicate that to me...Rather than just asking me to explain it more coherently...And one of the reasons why I refuse to do so....

I think the reason you refuse to be more coherent, SM, is because you simply do not know how to be coherent. But I like the excuse that you are not being more coherent because I am being "nasty." It's cute.

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I gauratee...You will break stones about how I responded....When I and everyone else know that I have....But I felt compelled to answer you...

I have no problem with you responding or feeling compelled to answer...but the "I am no longer going to respond" nonsense is getting old.

Respond or do not respond as you see fit. But if you are going to go all Sarah Bernhardt on me and claim you are not going to respond anymore...you should stick with it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Are you saying it is impossible for everything to always have existed?

Yes Frank Things are evolving and things are not the same things anymore.
they take different shapes and become different things and they may not always be around. This magical thing we call reality may go extinct one day. It may be energy and will fade out but a new form of energy may come along. Who knows there may be many of these forms of energy.
I am not making any assertions other than we do not know what is possible about the things we do not fully understand.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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..Anything is possible in terms of possibilites...

Except the possibility of things existing without a God?

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@reasoning logic,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5205518)
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Are you saying it is impossible for everything to always have existed?

Yes Frank Things are evolving and things are not the same things anymore.
they take different shapes and become different things and they may not always be around. This magical thing we call reality may go extinct one day. It may be energy and will fade out but a new form of energy may come along. Who knows there may be many of these forms of energy.
I am not making any assertions other than we do not know what is possible about the things we do not fully understand.

Something doesn't compute here.

You say you are not making any assertions other than we do not know what is possible about the things we do not fully understand...but at the same time you are asserting that it is impossible for everything to always have existed???

That doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps you can expand on it.

Note that when I said "everything may have always existed" I included a comment that it seems to be always changing...in flux.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Note that when I said "everything may have always existed" I included a comment that it seems to be always changing...in flux.

Sorry about that Frank I missed your comment, I must have been hanging out with Ryan for to long. Wink

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@reasoning logic,

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Note that when I said "everything may have always existed" I included a comment that it seems to be always changing...in flux.

Sorry about that Frank I missed your comment, I must have been hanging out with Ryan for to long.

It definitely was there. SM is okay...and so are you. I enjoy all this back and forth, even when it gets a bit testy.

Merry Christmas to youse guys...or Happy Holidays if you prefer. Gonna pop in from time to time, but Nancy wants me to get hopping with some work she has laid out for me.

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@Frank Apisa,

It means one of the reason why I wanted to drop it...

It is too bad that you see that as a cute reason...Because it is the truth...I don't think you get it at all...And is also another reason why I wanted to drop it...But have not, because istill think you do not get it...And don;t want to drop it till you do...

Thanks for the critique about not responding anymore if I say i am not going to...Once I think you get it, and understand what i am saying...It will be over...Till then it is not going to be...Is that more clear?

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@Frank Apisa,

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You say you are not making any assertions other than we do not know what is possible about the things we do not fully understand...but at the same time you are asserting that it is impossible for everything to always have existed???

Just because we do not know about all things that are impossible does not make them possible. I do not know what your first car was or whether it is around today but my guess would be that it has been melted down and turned into something different. Just because I do not know for sure that this is the case does not make your car still possible to be around if in fact it has been melted down.

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The only things that are impossible are impossible things. If a thing is not IMPOSSIBLE...it is possible.

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@reasoning logic,

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Sorry about that Frank I missed your comment, I must have been hanging out with Ryan for to long.

No offense mate, but I would back my knowledge and thinking against yours or Franks anyday mate....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Once I think you get it, and understand what i am saying...It will be over...Till then it is not going to be...Is that more clear?

Clearly OCPD

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@Frank Apisa,

Merry Christmas to you and everyone else...

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@reasoning logic,

Clearly not...If someone does not understand what I am saying to them...Why should I drop the discussion if they have not understood anything I have said?...If they do not understand my point, but want me to understand theirs?

Would you just give up? Or keep trying to talk to them?

What traits of OCPD do you have? Since we all have traits?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What traits of OCPD do you have? Since we all have traits?

The same as you but far less extreme.

The wife wants me to get hopping with some work she has laid out for me. Laughing

Merry Christmas Ryan.

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@reasoning logic,

I doubt that either of us do mate...

I thought it was normal? If it is noramal it can't be OCPD?

Have a great day...

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@reasoning logic,

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Clearly OCPD

Clearly not...If Frank had actually refuted one thing I have said...Then it could be considered that I am refusing to let a belief go...How do I know he has not refuted me? Because the things I think I know he is currently uncertain about...So how can he refute something someone thinks is certain with uncertainty? He can't....

And it is not a refusal to let go of a belief, If I think that Frank has not understood one lick of what I have said...And I keep being persistent to actually try to explain to him what it is I am saying...So we can reach an ultimate conclusion and finially drop it... Because if he does not fully understand me like he says he does not...How could I have a refusal to let go of anything that has been refuted?, If it has not been fully understood by him? It can't be either...And why drop it, If I know everything we have said, went over his head? And I could try to explain it in a way he could better understand? So that we can reach our conclusion and finially know what we think about each other and actually drop it because it has meaning to dropping it?

And it is not me kicking a can down the road either...

The only one who could be, would be him, if he actually does understand me, and says that I do not make sense, or he does not fully understand what I mean...But truly does, Because he claims I do not make sense, or he does not understand me all the time...

So he would just be baiting or trolling....Or kicking a can...

So I want to keep explaining my positions till Frank understands what I am saying, because it is the only way we will reach an ultimate conclusion...

And it is evident that Frank does not understand this either...

Or once again, if he does but trolls that is just one F**ked up thing to do...

Why would he say he does not understand me? Or I do not make sense? If he does understand me? And will not say that he is certain, he disagrees with my positions? If he can't say he is certain he disagrees with my positions...Then the conclusions are he does not fully understand them at all...Or he does not think they are incorrect...And once again no refusal to let go of beliefs....Because it is not "believing" to say you are certain you disagree with someones position, rather than remaining uncertain about my views...Or purposly trolling...

Unless he does not understand what I have said at all...?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And it is not me kicking a can down the road either...

Are you certain?

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So he would just be baiting or trolling....Or kicking a can...

There are no other possibilities?

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So I want to keep explaining my positions till Frank understands what I am saying, because it is the only way we will reach an ultimate conclusion...

Are you certain that all things are fully explainable? Do you think that you could share all of your knowledge about God with Frank?

Do think that it could be possible that some of our ideas just cant make sense to others?
Could it be that frank was pointing out that the way you word things do not make sense at times?

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Or once again, if he does but trolls that is just one F**ked up thing to do...

Maybe hes just having fun trying to make sense of what you are sharing, Could it be challenging in a way? kinda like trying to figure out a cross word puzzle? Maybe you are puzzling to him.

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Why would he say he does not understand me? Or I do not make sense? If he does understand me? And will not say that he is certain, he disagrees with my positions? If he can't say he is certain he disagrees with my positions..

Some times I wonder if it could be easier to just reach down and pick up the can and hand it to the other person and move on or look for a new can. 2 Cents

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