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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 23 Dec, 2012 07:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
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As for me...I cannot compute the probabilities...and I do not see enough evidence up0n which to make a meaningful estimate.


I could be wrong in my thinking but I think I may be correct and I will try and state my view point even though it may be wrong.


That is all any of us can do, RL. I enjoy hearing what you have to say...and the reasoning you use to arrive at where you are. I enjoy discussing our different (and often similar) takes on things.


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If we were to say that something could come into existence by chance what would the likelihood be that this thing could also create other things?


I am not sure of what you actually are asking. Could you expand on the question so I am sure of what is being asked?

Keep in mind that I also think it possible that "nothing has ever come into existence"...that everything has always existed and just reforms occasionally or continually.



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Would it be more likely that it just came into being or would it be more likely it just came into being and was also able to create other beings?


Actually, I think it is more likely that it (whatever you mean by "it") never ever "came into existence" but rather always has been in existence....that there never ever has ever been "nothing."

Just a guess, of course...a blind guess.

It is also possible that a GOD "came into existence" and...what happens next is anybody's guess. I think I probably favor "the GOD would then cause other things to come into existence." But that is also a blind guess...and probably is an projection of my own "no fun being alone" complexity.
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 23 Dec, 2012 07:56 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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.I can possibly have shown you that I have OCPD...


I do agree do you?
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 23 Dec, 2012 08:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Keep in mind that I also think it possible that "nothing has ever come into existence"...that everything has always existed and just reforms occasionally or continually.


Yes this is how I see it as well.

I think what we call nothing is actually something. It is like what air may have been to people 5,000 years ago.
Just as we see outer space as empty space, as if it is nothing they also thought the same about air but we know much more about air today than they did.

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Actually, I think it is more likely that it (whatever you mean by "it") never ever "came into existence" but rather always has been in existence....that there never ever has ever been "nothing."


This is how I see it as well.

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I think I probably favor "the GOD would then cause other things to come into existence.


Why? is it because you are old and your days are numbered? I don't think this is the case with you because I think you have an interest in intellectual honesty even if a God may not.

If you favor a God that is cool but what do you think would be a simpler form of logic? A god just happening by chance and then creating everything Or just every thing coming about in a chaotic mess?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 23 Dec, 2012 08:33 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Keep in mind that I also think it possible that "nothing has ever come into existence"...that everything has always existed and just reforms occasionally or continually.


Yes this is how I see it as well.

I think what we call nothing is actually something. It is like what air may have been to people 5,000 years ago.
Just as we see outer space as empty space, as if it is nothing they also thought the same about air but we know much more about air today than they did.

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Actually, I think it is more likely that it (whatever you mean by "it") never ever "came into existence" but rather always has been in existence....that there never ever has ever been "nothing."


This is how I see it as well.


Yup. Good!



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I think I probably favor "the GOD would then cause other things to come into existence.



Why? is it because you are old and your days are numbered? I don't think this is the case with you because I think you have an interest in intellectual honesty even if a God may not.

If you favor a God that is cool but what do you think would be a simpler form of logic? A god just happening by chance and then creating everything Or just every thing coming about in a chaotic mess?


I did not say that I favor a GOD. I thought I was rather explicit about that. I was answering your question as I interpreted it. If a GOD existed (whether IT "came into being" or "always was"...I favor the idea that the GOD WOULD create other things just not to be lonely. That appeared to me to be the question you asked...although I did ask you for clarification.

I DO NOT FAVOR THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD...AND I ALSO DO NOT FAVOR THAT GODS DO NOT EXIST. I simply do not know...and I see no evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess.

(Don't treat this too seriously, RL. I am just dealing with your hypothetical.)
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 23 Dec, 2012 08:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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(Don't treat this too seriously, RL. I am just dealing with your hypothetical.)


I wont Frank even if you share a different point of view than I do, I still respect you as a person.


What do you think is more logical?

What do you think would be a simpler form of logic? A god just happening by chance and then creating everything Or just everything coming about in a chaotic mess?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 01:24 am
@reasoning logic,
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I do agree do you?

I agree that someone can...But if you mean I could because of a typo then I do not agree...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:04 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I hear what you are saying, RL...and I note that SM suggests the exact opposite in the next post.

Nevermind that...I am going to keep posting it, till you answer me...

And show me you do not have a lack of comprehension yourself, like you go around and claim that I do...

What about my riddle answer was so hilarious that you and other people could get a "good laugh" out of it?

You did say that it was hilarious? Others could get a "good laugh"? And I lack comprehension?

Is lack of comprehension a hilarious issue to you?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
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infinite and eternal

you could double the chances against

almost a sure thing


Can you explain this too me please...?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 02:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
If it is a trillion times more unlikely and no credible scientist would back 1^123...Then there is something seriously wrong with atheists embracing science...When scientist do not even use science to do what atheists do...

This post would suggest that I DID in fact understand it...

Is this correct or incorrect?
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 04:43 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Nevermind that...I am going to keep posting it, till you answer me...


How long will you keep kicking that can down the street? Do you think you might be a little obsessive? Wink
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 05:03 am
@reasoning logic,
Not at all...Because I think Frank is going to keep saying it...So I would like him to answer my questions...

However, If you can prove to me that Frank is not going to make that claim and not substantiate it...anymore

Then I will drop it...
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:32 am
@reasoning logic,
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(Don't treat this too seriously, RL. I am just dealing with your hypothetical.)


I wont Frank even if you share a different point of view than I do, I still respect you as a person.


Thanks, RL...same back atcha!

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What do you think is more logical?

What do you think would be a simpler form of logic? A god just happening by chance and then creating everything Or just everything coming about in a chaotic mess?


I honestly do not think either is "more logical." Either can be...and the possibilities are endless. There may be an "answer" to "what is this all about" that humans cannot even imagine at their current state of being.

Imagine an ant trying to fathom reality! We honestly are not all that far removed from an ant trying to fathom reality in my estimation. We have very, very limited view into what REALITY is if the material world actually is the REALITY...so dealing with how the REALITY exists is way beyond us.

EVERYTHING MAY have always existed; a GOD MAY always have existed and "created" what we call the material world; the "material world" MAY NOT exist; and who knows what else.

I cannot comprehend how you can assign probability to the logic involved in any of the possible scenarios.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:36 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I hear what you are saying, RL...and I note that SM suggests the exact opposite in the next post.
Nevermind that...I am going to keep posting it, till you answer me...



Okay. I thought I have answered each of your questions...but I will keep reading what you write.

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And show me you do not have a lack of comprehension yourself, like you go around and claim that I do...


Why? If I also have a lack of comprehension...would that change things?

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What about my riddle answer was so hilarious that you and other people could get a "good laugh" out of it?


Because it showed you did not read the puzzle...or at least not with comprehension. To me...someone trying to respond to a puzzle without doing those things is hilarious. If it is not hilarious to you...don't laugh.

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You did say that it was hilarious? Others could get a "good laugh"? And I lack comprehension?


Not sure what the question is here, but that is a lovely question mark.

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Is lack of comprehension a hilarious issue to you?


On occasions. It certainly was in the instance which we are discussing.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:39 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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infinite and eternal

you could double the chances against

almost a sure thing


Can you explain this too me please...?


"Infinite and eternal" mean infinite and eternal.

"you could double the chances against" means that if the chances were 4...you could make it 8.

"Almost a sure thing" means NOT a sure thing...but very close.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:40 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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If it is a trillion times more unlikely and no credible scientist would back 1^123...Then there is something seriously wrong with atheists embracing science...When scientist do not even use science to do what atheists do...

This post would suggest that I DID in fact understand it...

Is this correct or incorrect?


I think so...yup, I think it is either correct or incorrect.

But to be honest with you, I don't know for sure which.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:47 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Not at all...Because I think Frank is going to keep saying it...So I would like him to answer my questions...

However, If you can prove to me that Frank is not going to make that claim and not substantiate it...anymore

Then I will drop it...


@RL: That ought to be interesting. I wonder how you would go about "proving" that I am not going to make a particular assertion...or for that matter, any particular assertion?

@SM: If the "claim" is that you often do not comprehend posts directed toward you...I intend to continue to make that assertion until you show some signs that you will not "often not comprehend posts directed toward you."

As for substantiating it...I don't have to. You do that for me by lacking comprehension of so many posts. I've been pointing that out to you...but you seem to be unable to comprehend the posts where I have done it.

I wonder if that is a "zero sum game" or a "non-zero sum game???"
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
well you did not, and I have more to come!

It sure would change things...Cause if you are the one who is lacking, then it is good to find out now, rather than saying that others do...Just because Frank can not understand me...

It is not hilarious nor did I say that I would laugh if I thought somone misread a puzzle or lack of comprehension anyways...

Well I can sympathize because it is incredibly hilarious for someone who is not sure of themselves in many discussions....To find somone else hilarious who is not unsure of themselves...And just misread a riddle...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
OK, now can you explain how each of those things are not contradictions in the original post you have made directed at me using them all in one post? Or are you unsure you can do it?? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I honestly do not think either is "more logical."


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I cannot comprehend how you can assign probability to the logic involved in any of the possible scenarios.



I do have a hard time understanding how people can not see that a God would be the most complex form ever and for something like that to just exist would be far less likely than a chaotic mess with some parts of this chaotic mess very complex and supporting life and not life that has the ability to create things from nothing.


XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Mon 24 Dec, 2012 07:52 am
@Frank Apisa,
So if you think I have shown that I understood it, does it not refute your dumb ass post of how I did not seem to understand what Logic was saying...that you needed to point out? After my post was made first?
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