Atheists... Your life is pointless

You do know this with absolute certainty correct? This is not something you believe? I would think that this is a part of reality, meaning that you know with certainty.

If you think something to be true but it is not, how is this different than it being a belief?

I was thinking about going to McDonald's for Christmas dinner, do you think I should reconsider the reality at hand?

You do all that to blend in though... On the one hand we got the 'Imans' issue, where complete shutdown of voice is attempted both ways, on the other we got the 'better get rights' who believe language systems are more important than living beings existences and freedoms.. Then there's this other hand, which IS what we should be believing, your worries about wording, accuracy and your appearance drive your desire to remain non-animal... Tell me, in a jungle, does the snake care?.. In a void, does the alien vessel care?... No it boils down to gesture only, overall...

If a voice is unheard, damn the sensibilities.
I can imagine EVERY world leader saying that, on one particular day and the whole world acknowledging it.

God forbid they let you up and you really have a few things to say after a few years of psychological milling in most insane ways to compensate for the world thumbs up each others a**** until they pop.

It has to do with certainty...Because if you say you think, think you know, or believe it is the same thing...You say you think, but don't do believing...But that does not mean when you say you think something it is not actually a belief...You just do not realize that they are pretty much the same exact thing...

Does not make you a bad guy either...

Can you tell me how you think I am incorrect and refute what I have said...Rather than saying I am on bullshit mountain? And need to humble myself? I never said that I was gloryfying myself or anyone by making that claim...How is it incorrect?

Same thing to you as Logic...Tell me how it is nonsense...And refute it...Cause saying it is nonsesne helps no one understand anything...

I am not interested in how you think I do not open my mind...Cause I could say the same about you, and it does not mean it has merit...

I think I do open my mind...I just do not agree with what others have said...It does not mean I did not open my mind to understand what they were saying...But it is cool if you think I am not doing this...

Yes I did...He does not know it with certainty...And I think You KNEW how I felt without me saying it...

Which means that everyone thinks they know things with certainty...Whether they are actually certain about it or not...

If everyone thinks they are certain about things...No reason to believe that people are not correct with certainty about things...

And No one claims to be certain about everything they think they are...

SpadeMaster it is always amusing how religious cultists try to turn atheism into a religious and bring it down to their own level. Atheism is not a belief in fact it is a lack of belief in god. You cannot equate belief and non-belief no matter how you try

SpadeMaster you are beginning to get it because most religious cultists believe that man is primarily bad and that the well spring of morality in our society is religion. By being able to acknowledge that men do good because they are moral not because of religion is a giant step. If you do not need religion for your moral wellbeing why do you need religion?

If you were a supreme being do you think you would feel the need to be worshiped? Men’s egos feed on hero worship does the similarity not seem strange. Do you think a supreme being would not have moved beyond ego needs?

Give it up, will ya, RL. You are no longer making sense.

Is there any such thing as a lack of belief? What does it mean? It means you have no opinion about the topic at hand...In order for you to know if you think a God exists, and whether or not you think he does exist takes a belief...If you have none, you have absolutely no opinion about it...

No one can know what a God would think it needs or does not...I can;t explain how if a God exists why it would need to feel worshipped...etc...But this also points back to you having a belief about this God as to how it can't exist...If you had no belief about that...You would be completely unsure of what you thouht about those questions you asked...

Frank It is not I that know or is pretending to know it is the religious cultists who have created gods of all shapes and sizes. If someone imagined a rock and said the rock was over there it would be easy to prove that there was no rock there but if he imagines a god that is supernatural and violates every know law of the natural universe it is impossible to prove or disprove the imaginings of the supernatural.

Fear more than anything else is responsible for the creation of religion. From the time a man becomes aware that death has dominion over him he lives in fear for the rest of his life. He thinks of himself as so important that in all of creatures of the world man alone should never die, it is immortality by ego. “A coward dies a thousand deaths a brave man only one.” Any snake oil salesman who gets up on a pulpit and tells people that they can transcend death will find a willing following.

Zardoz...thank you for your response. I apologize for some of the interplay between the time I asked my question and now.

Bottom line, though, is that I still do not here a response to my question about whether or not you think it is impossible for a GOD...or gods...to exist.

That is an important ingredient in this discussion.

The fact that we cannot see or verify the existence of something in (what you call) the natural world...does not mean it does not exist.

Do animals with the general shape of a horse with a single horn sticking out from the center of its forehead...exist?

Are there any sentient creatures living on the third planet out from any of the nearest ten stars to Sol?

We honestly do not know...we cannot, at this time, verify those things.

The fact that we do not know...and that we cannot verify if it is so...does not impact on whether or not they do exist.

By the way, that does not mean we will not be able to verify it at some point in the future...and that may be the same case about any GOD or gods that might exist.

Please keep in mind that I AM NOT saying that gods exist. I do NOT know if gods exist...and any guess I have that they do not would be as meaningless and ludicrous as any guess that they do...and I consider any guesses that they do to be both meaningless and ludicrous.

You seem to be posting as if you are certain gods do not exist. I am merely trying to determine if that is the case or not...so:

Are you saying it is impossible for a GOD...or gods...to exist?

My opinions haven't changed...If I am getting it, I always have...Do you think it is possible that it is you who is viewing it differently?

According to the Bible a mans number is 666 or 2/3's complete...And God said that man is good, not perfect but good...I do not know where you heard that religion teaches man is bad...

They do teach that men are sinners and should try not to be...Are you saying this is incorrect?

Don't be such a ******* chav.

Spade Master my views have changed a little since high school but very little over the last twenty years for instance in high school I would have been comfortable with the term atheist but over the last twenty years I would be more comfortable with the term agnostic. I spent about ten years reading about different religious cults and all sorts of other supernatural imaginings. It did not change my mind about any of the popular religious cults that are just as ridiculous as they ever were nor do I believe the supernatural exists but in fact there may be some fringes of natural law that we have yet to discover and those discoveries will be made in the field of quantum physics.

I have read some explanations form Quantum Physicists that may one day provide a natural explanation for what we now think of as supernatural phenomena. At one time mankind had supernatural explanation for the sun and believed the sun rotated around the earth. Supernatural is only the natural world that we do not understand yet.

A closed mind is a small mind but a mind that believes in a book that tells you your bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks is for some who has no brains. Religious scholars have come up with all kinds of rationalization for that particular bible verse but Catholics solved it they edited god expunged that passage from their bible.

I have yet to hear a sermon based on finding your true bliss by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks but if you are a true believer how can you doubt god’s word? I would not be surprised to see a bible cult founded on this passage as so many others are founded on small biblical passages. The bible packaged and preserved all the ignorance and bigotry of a 2000 year old tribal society.

This may be true but we have some of our own love ones who believe in this nonsense and who are also in high places such as in control of nuclear weapons or other fields of importance.

You've got your whole presumtions wrong...Because atheists do wicked things also...And once there are ones in power...They are going to do things that do not seem ethical....And are not morally correct...It has got nothing to do with religious cults....

Atheism, or lack of belief is not a cure for sin...Or unethical actions...And people will realize that they think other people are doing unethical things once religion is gone, and the morality is not there, Does not matter how the people chose to communicate this to other people...because most of religion that talks about morally ethical things are natural...So it will have nothing to do with being brainwashed, or manipulated at a young age...by religious...But sadly, people who think the ways you do want to do away with religion or morallity because you do not think this will happen, but it does not matter to you, because you will not be here when these changes happen....

If you want to point out the anachronistic nature of the Bible and the ignorance of the literalists it helps not to be ignorant yourself. Where in the Bible does it say 'bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks?'

Or are we talking Rivers of Babylon? If so you've got the meaning arse about tit.

SpadeMaster, do you believe that Adam Lanza, the shooter in New Town was an evil man? Or do you believe he was mentally ill? The religious cultists have been making much of the fact that Lanza was evil because in proving the existence of evil in the world they can market its polar opposite god. Some even said the shooting in Newtown was god’s retaliation for prohibiting prayer in schools. Religious cultists since the beginning of time never let a disaster, natural or otherwise, go without exploiting it.

People religious or otherwise do bad things. If Adam Lanza was in church every Sunday do you think it would have prevented the shooting or would he have went to church with his guns and opened up on the congregations as other shooters have done. If a psychopath goes to church and reads the bible that says the way to true bliss is bash your children’s brains out on the rocks and decides to use bullets instead is the religious cult at fault? In fact we do not know whether or not that bible passage inspired Adam Lanza.

The man who is most responsible for the revolutionary war and the founding of the United States was in fact an atheist. The United States was the first country to deny god dominion over them. God ruled other countries through the divine right of kings. This is one of the strongest bible principals that gods rules on earth through the divine right of kings. In America the first thing the founding fathers did was tell god to kiss our ass we were going to elect our leaders we would not be ruled by a king whether he was divine or not.

The morality found in religion is but a mirror image of man’s morality but often it is a funhouse mirror that reflects and distorts.