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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
I DO get it Frank...Saying I think, I think I know, or I believe, is the same exact thing...It is cool Frank...I don't need to hear you try to explain how it is not...And you don't seem to get what I am saying either...I NEVER said I KNOW with certainty...I said I THINK I KNOW....
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:05 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5200923)
I DO get it Frank...Saying I think, I think I know, or I believe, is the same exact thing...It is cool Frank...I don't need to hear you try to explain how it is not...And you don't seem to get what I am saying either...I NEVER said I KNOW with certainty...I said I THINK I KNOW....


YES...but if we have established that it is impossible for you to KNOW...to say you think you know is illogical.

Open your mind...you can finally get this.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
I already got it...

I do not think that someone saying I think I know is implying they think they know something for certain...You think that it does...

When I hear someone say that...I think they are acknowledging that they are certain that they are thinking something...Not that they think they are certain...about something...You think it means that...
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:27 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5200935)
I already got it...

I do not think that someone saying I think I know is implying they think they know something for certain...You think that it does...

When I hear someone say that...I think they are acknowledging that they are certain that they are thinking something...Not that they think they are certain...about something...You think it means that...


Who do you think will win the NFL East?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
Not your Giants mate...I think both Dallas, and Washington win this week, and block Giants out...I would have to say Washington right now...

That is not any different that saying I think I know the Giants will be blocked out...2 Cents
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:36 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Hate to say I think you are correct, but that scenario seems more likely than the one I want to see.

Both of the recent Super Bowl wins for the Giants, however, have come after they got into the playoffs as a wild-card. And both wild-card entries were nail biters.

So we will see.

In any case, I loathe both the Boys and the Deadskins...so obviously I am hoping they both lose.

Also...if the Giants win both of their remaining games...they go to the playoffs regardless of what the Boys and Deadskins do. In fact, the Giants can lose one game and still make it if certain things happen.

Like I said...we will see.
spendius
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
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In contrast to you Spade I will answer "Yep". I am certain Frank has not being doing what he suggests he might do.


Am I justified in being certain Frank?

Or are you going to say that whatever answer you give I can't be certain is correct?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
Mate...everyone is my immediate family are Cowboy fans...I am a Jets fan...But I thought they had no chance...from the start...

I think it will be San Fran, and Texans anyways...

But it could be San Fran, and New England, or Denver...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
What is the scenerio for Giants to get in without division? With winning all games? You do not have to break down with 2 wins, and needing help....
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:45 am
@spendius,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5200912)
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In contrast to you Spade I will answer "Yep". I am certain Frank has not being doing what he suggests he might do.


Am I justified in being certain Frank?


You are the one who has to answer that, Spendius. And if you answer it truthfully (unless there is a GOD, and you are IT) you gotta answer it NO.

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Or are you going to say that whatever answer you give I can't be certain is correct?


Like I said...you gotta answer it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:49 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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What is the scenerio for Giants to get in without division?


I do not understand the question.

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With winning all games?


If they win their final two games...they are in the playoffs.

Remember the final game for the Boys play the Deadskins.
spendius
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
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You are the one who has to answer that, Spendius. And if you answer it truthfully (unless there is a GOD, and you are IT) you gotta answer it NO.


I am certain.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 09:50 am
@spendius,
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I am certain.


Thanks for the laugh.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 10:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
So you are saying Giants make the wildcard...Because one will win, and one will lose between the Skins? And Cowboys? Got it...Thanks...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 12:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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SPADE...I am interested in what you think about what Spendius just said. Do you think Spendius KNOWS WITH CERTAINTY that I am not doing what I suggested I might be doing?

Everyone thinks they know things with certainty mate....And I think you do too mate ....

If you say you think you do not know things with certainty...Then you could also say you know with certainty that no one knows anything with certainty...Which is the same thing as saying people think they know things with certainty...And if you say you do not know whether people know things with certainty...Then that means you think they could...

Does it mean that anyone actually does? If we all think we do...There is no reason to believe we do not...

Are we all wrong about being certain? If we are then we will all be certain we were uncertain, which points to an afterlife...

Can we be uncertain about being certain? No, cause if we say that we are uncertain if we are certain...Then it is the same exact thing as saying we are certain we are uncertain...etc...

This is why I say that everyone has beliefs, whether they are theists, agnostics, or atheists...

When you read this mate...Please answer my question in the thread I created...I wanted to hear your views about my post...Thanks mate...
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 01:25 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
At no point have I suggested that I do not know things with certainty. I have pointed out things that I do not know with certainty...and those things, I simply do not know with certainty. Occasionally I guess or estimate about those things...but when discussing my guesses or estimates...I always label them guesses or estimates.

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This is why I say that everyone has beliefs, whether they are theists, agnostics, or atheists...


Nonsense! But I am of the opinion (I guess) you will never open your mind enough to realize that it is nonsense.

Doesn't make you a bad guy.

In any case, what do you think about Spendius being absolutely certain about what we were discussing. You never did answer that.
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 05:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Ryan
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This is why I say that everyone has beliefs, whether they are theists, agnostics, or atheists...


Frank
Nonsense! But I am of the opinion (I guess) you will never open your mind enough to realize that it is nonsense.


I think that Ryan is correct to some degree, I think that some times we think are understandings are absolute. I do think that some things we say are certain even though we may be wrong at times.

Ryan
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Everyone thinks they know things with certainty mate....And I think you do too mate ....


This is probably true.


Ryan
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If you say you think you do not know things with certainty...Then you could also say you know with certainty that no one knows anything with certainty..


There are some things we can know with certainty but we can not know all things with certainty.


Ryan
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Does it mean that anyone actually does? If we all think we do...There is no reason to believe we do not...


Where did you come up with this logic?

Ryan
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Are we all wrong about being certain?


Not all the time but often.

Ryan
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If we are then we will all be certain we were uncertain, which points to an afterlife...


How can you be certain of this? This seems like something you might hear on top of bullshit mountain. Humble yourself and come down to the bottom of bullshit mountain and join the least among us.

I think that we should start a thread about reality because I think Ryan finds little interest in it even though he may participate in the thread. I think we could all learn from it.


spendius
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 06:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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At no point have I suggested that I do not know things with certainty. I have pointed out things that I do not know with certainty...and those things, I simply do not know with certainty. Occasionally I guess or estimate about those things...but when discussing my guesses or estimates...I always label them guesses or estimates.


How long does it take you to guess which golf shoe goes on which foot?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 06:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I think that Ryan is correct to some degree, I think that some times we think are understandings are absolute. I do think that some things we say are certain even though we may be wrong at times.

Not really sure what you mean by this, RL…but I have no “beliefs.” I makes guesses, I suppose things, I estimate things, I “think” things…but I do not “believe” things. Not sure how to say that any more clearly, but it is the truth.


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Ryan

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Everyone thinks they know things with certainty mate....And I think you do too mate ....



This is probably true.


Absolutely…but what does that have to do with belief?

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Ryan

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If you say you think you do not know things with certainty...Then you could also say you know with certainty that no one knows anything with certainty..


There are some things we can know with certainty but we can not know all things with certainty.


I agree. And the things I do not know with certainty, I acknowledge that I do not know them with certainty.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2012 06:40 pm
@spendius,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5201127)
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At no point have I suggested that I do not know things with certainty. I have pointed out things that I do not know with certainty...and those things, I simply do not know with certainty. Occasionally I guess or estimate about those things...but when discussing my guesses or estimates...I always label them guesses or estimates.



How long does it take you to guess which golf shoe goes on which foot?


I do not have to guess. I KNOW which shoe has to go on which foot.
 

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