Atheists... Your life is pointless

It's nonsense, Jesus has returned.

I wish I could have seen Jesus in person.

What would you have said to Jesus if you could have seen him?

It is really hard to say but I would have probably followed him and asked so many questions that it may have bothered him.

I don't think so mate...He said ask and you shall recieve, seek and you shall find, knock and it will be opened to you...

I am not sure because I also find value in this philosophy.

What did you think about the last word game video? "the 2 + minute video that I shared with you had to say?

SpadeMaster at least some people will question group think while others are content to accept group think for their entire lives. At one time most of us believed in Santa Clause but as we grew older we found out he wasn’t real. We still carry that knowledge but we were able to accept the truth as we once knew it was a lie. One day during a camping trip I was fishing on a portion of an old blown out dam on the east fork of the Potomac River. It was twilight and it was tending toward dark. I noticed something coming up stream. I could make out a ragged edge on its back. I could see little more than its silhouette in the distance and the closest thing to what I was looking at reminded me of a small type dinosaur. One thing for sure it was alive and coming upstream. I watched as it got closer and it turned out to be a beaver with a very large tree limb. Our brain consists of neurons organized into millions of pattern recognition modules. As I looked at the object coming up stream my mind struggled to find a pattern that would fit what I was seeing but once I could make out the beaver and the tree limb I moved on from my first perception. Forty years later I can still see that object coming upstream but I accept that it was a beaver and tree limb. Religion is the dinosaur and people can move beyond it.

The existence of god can be reduced to a very simple logic problem. The proponents of gods will look around them and say how can all this be possible without a creator? But when ask how a creator of all this could just appear out of nothing but thin air? They jump into supernatural mode and say god always was and always will be. Which is more likely to appear on its own a Pontiac or General Motors corporation? General Motors Corporation is exponentially more complex. The simplest explanation by far is that millions of years of evolution are responsible rather a multi-complex god appearing a few thousands of years ago and creating the world and everything in it in a week. You cannot be logical and believe in the supernatural. You have to choose logic or superstition.

You too can move beyond the illusion the chains that bind you are of your own making. Have you ever watched a good movie that was fictional? You may remember every detail and enjoy the movie, but just because you keep the details in your mind does not make it true.

“You have to constantly work at your beliefs to say that you truly believe.” Do you have to work on your belief that the sky is blue or the sun comes up in the morning? That should tell you something. You do not have to work on believing facts but believing in an illusion takes constant effort.

Well since these are facts and evidence which requires no leap to embrace...

Please explain to me how what you just said is imperically true?

Because the only way that you can not prove it to me is if everyone has a belief, and what you had just said is not a belief that you have...about religion and the world...and people in general....

If you can not prove it to me...Then it is a belief you have...And everyone has them...And there is no reason to believe that anything you have said is more correct, over anything else anyone says...about anything...And atheism is a belief...Cause I just challenged what you had said....So if what you said is correct...It should be easy for you to prove to me that it is? And that I work harder to embrace illusions rather than facts? So that I stop doing it...

Can you prove it too me?

And remember...If you can prove to me that what you said is the truth...And not a belief, or leap of faith...As it does not take constant changes to embrace facts or evidence...Like it does to an illusionary belief...It doesn't mean I will be incapable of knowing what the truth is...Even if I want to reject it myself...Because I will know as someone who strives to do the most moral things I can...That if you are correct...I will want to learn better ways...Like I said I do by trying to constantly improve myself...with my beliefs...

I've just shown you film of him. He was thrown out of the darts match for looking like Jesus, but he says he never dressed up like Jesus, he dressed up like himself.

Now Jesus would always deny his divinity, and if he dresses up like himself and still looks like Jesus, then he's bloody Jesus. QED.

Whether Miss Magdalene was a go-er.

The simplest explanation by far is that millions of years of evolution are responsible rather a multi-complex god appearing a few thousands of years ago and creating the world and everything in it in a week. You cannot be logical and believe in the supernatural. You have to choose logic or superstition.

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I have issue with the above, since earlier in the post you claim that religion is the metaphoric dinosaur, yet then this arrives, the belief that the root of intellectual debate RE: creation is well and truly rooted in evolution..

That a portion of energy set about certain directions or indeed in certain chosen ways is clearly the startpoint inside the universe, all that remains is the eventual conclusion that the absolute smallest components of reality, which perhaps are smaller still than here, outside the universe, are aware when combined or flowed past each other in the correct patterns. This clears up your statement, to my surprise, yet still man is so flawed that both you and I fall victim to appearance if not careful around the base of evolution theory when discussing dual concepts such as Earth out and universe down.

Evolution is the abandonment of that no-longer present in ones needs, therefore it follows that evolution occurs with zero input at all, relative to itself, by all evolving, when all evolving merely choose any other thought or action.

I'll take superstition. Logic has no laughs.

You're full of laughs, spendi.

Nothingtodo, in my line of work when I issue an arrest citation the person that is charged will start with a story that they think should exonerate them from guilt. But once I provide them with the facts discovered during the investigation they quickly change their story to coincide with the new facts. You can watch this process happen a number of times by not giving them all the facts at once. I lost count after issuing over 50 citations to one particular offender over a 19 year period and I had another 10 cases against him I just didn’t have time to prosecute. His dad was policeman I worked with for years. No amounts of fines, jail time or time in prison changed the way he operated. But he was one of the best liars on the fly I ever saw. As soon as new facts were introduced his story changed instantly. That is exactly what creationism does it changes its story each time new facts are discovered.

Do you believe all explosions have intelligence as a byproduct? Or just the Big Bang? Are you Deist? You are clearly beliefs are clearly not compatible with Christianity. I have dealt with some of the best liars for 100s of miles around but not even the best would try to claim that 13.7 billion years took place in 7 days.

Last I heard my worst offender’s cell phone butt dialed 911 while he was making a rather large drug deal. He was caught with a good quantity of cocaine and several guns and guns are a no, no for convicted felons. But he was soon back on the street one has to wonder who he rated out.

SpadeMaster it is indeed hard to prove the supernatural does not exist because we inhabit the natural world because it obeys none of the natural world’s laws. You cannot see it, hear it or touch it. No microscope is powerful enough. The most powerful telescope will never locate it, you can locate it only with your imagination. You breathe life into it.

Until we acknowledge that mankind gave morality to religion; religion did not give morality to mankind. In fact religion often twisted morality and sanctioned burning at the stake, torture, stoning and death for those who worked on the Sabbath.

If you are moral because you are afraid that you will burn in hell are you really moral? Or do you act moral only out of fear. It is like you go through life with a gun at your head. Mankind will never improve that way. The primary drive of an animal is to survive and the same is true of an organization. The primary drive of a religious cult is survival if that survival is counter to morality the morality will be dispensed with. They will use fear torture or even murder if allowable by custom.

If you are really a Christian, you will tell people how to be saved.

If you were really a Christian, you'd shut up, study the bible in your room, and leave everyone else alone.

This argument really has no validity to it...Cause if atheists have no beliefs, they really don't have a good reason to debate religion with theist's or other atheist's...either...In other words none of us should be here then...