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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Sat 15 Dec, 2012 05:38 pm
@nothingtodo,
I will give it a go...

Why do you think that believers are happy at anothers misery?

Are you a believer? Is it intellectually honest to say what you think theists are thinking if you are not one? Unlesss you think you could be incorrect?

Zardoz
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 09:44 am
@reasoning logic,
Reasoning Logic most people are subject to oppression of the majority. The vast majority of the people in America today believe in the supernatural explanation of life. Most people will tell you have an open mind but very few do. The minds of most people have been structured almost from birth to accept the supernatural as a fact. It is usually counterproductive to express your opinion in a group of individuals who have been brainwashed by society. Obama may have wanted to keep his beliefs to himself but since he was so well vetted by the opposition party he would have kept them all to himself.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 10:01 am
@Zardoz,
I realize you addressed your remarks to RL, but I have a couple of questions:

If a GOD (or gods) EXIST...how would that be supernatural? Wouldn't that be natural?

You seem to be saying that gods do not exist, but you are leaving an escape hatch with your wording.

Are you saying that gods CANNOT POSSIBLY exist?

And if it is NOT impossible for gods to exist...why are you so dismissive of the people who guess that way?
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 11:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
How do you define God Frank?

If we were to take a leap of faith and say a God made everything would that be the same thing as a God creating everything out of nothing?

The way I see it, a God would not have created himself so things may have just always existed in him and he used what ever these things were at his disposal, so he would seem more like a maker than a creator, not to mention don't you think that he could have did a better job of making somethings?
Zardoz
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 11:20 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Spade Master people will stumble and some will decide to reach for the supernatural as an explanation for their failings but not all will. One Saturday I was in the closing laps of a feature on a fast half mile dirt track. When I got hard on the gas the car would move a couple lanes up track. I knew something was wrong but I was in forth and I was going to finish that race short of stuffing the car into the wall. A car went to pass coming out of the corner and I hit the rear quarter panel and he slid sideways his tire exploded and almost rolled over. After I finished the race I checked the car and found the left front spindle was broken completely in two below the top ball joint. So in effect there was nothing holding the top of the left front wheel. I was probably running a 100 mph without the wheel being connected on top. It would be easy to reach for a supernatural explanation. The corners are fast with a lot force on the front wheels. I believe the geometry of that car made it semi controllable.

What we see is often influenced in more by what we want to see than what is actually there and that is especially true in regard to the supernatural.

Morality is not product of religion morality is the birth right of men. Religion is but a byproduct of men’s minds. The entire supernatural spectrum was created by men’s imagination. When man externalizes all good or claims to morality to a supernatural deity he externalizes his responsibility also. Man natural morality is warped when it is transmuted through a god. Morality becomes about keeping god’s commandments. God’s commandments are often about keeping god alive in the eyes of men.

“You shall have no god before me.”

That is not about morality that is about keeping the supernatural alive. The first four commandments have nothing to do with morality and everything to do with cult creation.

The path you speak of is the path of keeping the cult alive. Men know when they have done wrong without having a religious cult tell them. A t 18 I told my mom that only one rule was necessary and only one rule the Golden Rule: Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do even you even so to them for this is the law of prophets. The rest of cultism is just garbage surrounding it. This law is traceable in one version or another to almost every civilization.


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nothingtodo
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 11:40 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
RE:
XXSpadeMasterXX
Why do you think that believers are happy at anothers misery?

Are you a believer? Is it intellectually honest to say what you think theists are thinking if you are not one? Unlesss you think you could be incorrect?


On point one, there is a tendency growing, perhaps outside of those who have affirmed and held faith, to believe that the depressed and unhappy are the worlds whole problem.

As for the other two.
I based the answer to match the quote from earlier's implication of their thought processes, however slight, I suspect they have not much to say.
It is a truth of the world that universal connection and awareness is decisive, with input from man, it is of course therefore honest, in entirety to suggest a rope down to the ground from the very height of God does exist, which some choose to climb, others do not.

If no-one says it, someone has to, or mans attempts to end death based on collective warring continue, with flaw, separate from the purpose of choice.

In absolute Honesty I do not believe in God. Though this is entirely true.
nothingtodo
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 12:03 pm
@nothingtodo,
Angels you would term them, then state to me, that it appears to you I am learning this now, though I am not... I have complete experience that the strongest Gods, interfere only when needed. Then it follows that if I am honest I have to spite Jerusalem, Jesus, or some other force... To explain what 'angels' mostly are, gathered around people, but I will hold it in, since I am the Wickerman as assigned.

And In finality, remember it is Heaven and earth attempting to believe unity, which brings about the wrath of the universe, that is a force to prefer above even mans God, but most believers will prefer their own, on account of explanation of action may not arrive and it is truly deemable 'wrath'.

Unity therefore must be purer towards ethicality than lack of it. And I hope to BE God (universal).. Not climb to him, you see. This is not selfish, it is the nature of eternity.
nothingtodo
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 12:19 pm
@nothingtodo,
That requires disbelieving that such exists, you lie for your unity.... Other lies are your own failing.
Now, aliens are assets, as people can be.. I must put that to you.
Angels are stuck with 'why that?' or ''why life?'.... Well, why indeed?.. Still, here it is.
nothingtodo
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 12:45 pm
@nothingtodo,
Some then ask, (I see it as a question, given it is not a fact)..

"Surely then you liken to God, or rather your interpretation of him.. Or rather the universe, you issue 'wrath' of your own....?"

The answer is no I do not, though some of us do and thus I must acknowledge you cannot trust me.

Sorry for the monologue, I think some will find it interesting.
To get back on with life is hard, for some 'designated' it is merely impossible.

The universe looks rarely upon thee.
nothingtodo
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 12:56 pm
@nothingtodo,
"We do not believe you, hence our silence"

Was not what you said, to me...

Thus you are correct.
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 12:58 pm
@nothingtodo,
You must have nothing to do? Cool
spendius
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
What does something to do consist of rl?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:24 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
How do you define God Frank?


I don't, RL.

Why bother?

I am really never dealing with whether there is a "GOD" or not. I am dealing with the question of "What is the Reality of existence."

By the way...my answer to that question is: I do not know.

reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
"What is the Reality of existence."


I can give you my opinion on the matter.

Reality of existence to man is formed by our cognitive ability to construct concepts such as the concepts of reality and existence. Reality seems to be a flux of multiple things taking place at the same time. If we were not around to detect these things they may continue to happen but there would be no conscious by us to know this.
spendius
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:48 pm
@reasoning logic,
A bunch of trite and long worn out cliche rl.

What does something to do consist of?
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:52 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
What does something to do consist of?


Can you give a little more detail of what you are asking?
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:54 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
What does something to do consist of?


I was joking around with nothingtodo That was his user name.
spendius
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
You should know. You said ntd must have nothing to do so you must know what something to do is otherwise you wouldn't know what nothing to do is.
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spendius
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 01:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
I was joking around with nothingtodo That was his user name.


And yours is reasoning logic which is a funnier joke that nothingtodo and we don't take the piss out of you very much.
reasoning logic
 
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Sun 16 Dec, 2012 02:00 pm
@spendius,
Quote:


And yours is reasoning logic which is a funnier joke that nothingtodo and we don't take the piss out of you very much.


Today is Sunday spedius, Shouldn't you be giving your services to one of those men in long dark robes or something? Wink
 

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