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Atheists... Your life is pointless

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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 07:32 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I know mate...It is difficult to stay away...

I should not even bother myself since I am being ignored...


I'm certainly not ignoring you, SM...I just can't deal with all your questions that seem to go nowhere. And to be honest with you, I do not think you read responses with comprehension.


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But it is hard to stay away when you see someone saying that they have no beliefs...And then telling others how they are incorrect in their own beliefs...And not comprehending that that is an actual belief...


I have no beliefs.

I have not told anyone at any time that their "beliefs" are incorrect? I was NOT asking Spendius about his "beliefs." I was asking him about what he KNOWS. Where do you get this stuff from. This is what I mean that you do not read with comprehension. Answering your questions does no good...because you do not actually understand what has been said.

And how do you get anything that I have actually said...rather than your bizarre interpretations of what I have said...to be a belief?

I do not like responding to these mythical items that you dream up because you did not comprehend what I actually said.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 07:37 pm
@spendius,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5194159)
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Tell me...is surgery necessary to correct most gastrointestinal problems?


No.



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What's a gastrointestinal problem?


How the hell could you have reasonably answered the first question "no" if you do not even know what a gastrointestinal problem is.



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If it is one that needs surgery then yes. Alka Seltzer is common as a cure. Or waiting a day or two.


So...you are saying that the ones that need surgery...need surgery! Beautiful. And I suppose you are also going to bless the world with the insight that the ones that do not need surgery...do not.

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From a universal perspective "most" gastrointestinal problems had, maybe still have, no surgical cure.


My point was not about surgery or gastrointestinal problems, Spendius...it was about introducing nonsense into discussions that have absolutely no bearing on what is being discussed...which is what you did just before I asked the question...and what you do in almost every discussion.

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You're back in your room in New Jersey again Frank.


Good guess. Are you back at the pub?
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 07:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I have no beliefs.


Do you believe that peanut butter and jelly is a healthy meal or do you know for a fact that it is or is not?
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 07:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You,
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Good guess. Are you back at the pub?


Excellent, guess! Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 08:10 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Do you believe that peanut butter and jelly is a healthy meal or do you know for a fact that it is or is not?


I do not do any "believing" about peanut butter and jelly.

I KNOW I love the combination...and I am of he opinion that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is not appreciably less healthy than many things I eat. I also have decided that whether it is healthy or not...at 76 years of age, I'm gonna keep eating them when I want.
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 08:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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.at 76 years of age,


Wowwwww You are old enough to be my grandfather. Laughing
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 08:41 pm
@reasoning logic,
And today, I feel all 76 years! Wink
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 08:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I KNOW I love the combination...and I am of he opinion that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is not appreciably less healthy than many things I eat. I also have decided that whether it is healthy or not...at 76 years of age, I'm gonna keep eating them when I want.


Oh I see you have a belief in your understandings about your opinions and your belief is that your understandings and opinions may be more correct sometimes and less at others or am I incorrect in what I believe?
reasoning logic
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 08:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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And today, I feel all 76 years!


I hope that when I get to be really old like you I can chase a ball around 18 holes. You know I am kidding and I truly do wish that I may be able to accomplish all that you have. Very Happy
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 09:09 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Oh I see you have a belief in your understandings about your opinions and your belief is that your understandings and opinions may be more correct sometimes and less at others or am I incorrect in what I believe?


Huh???

Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 09:12 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I hope that when I get to be really old like you I can chase a ball around 18 holes. You know I am kidding and I truly do wish that I may be able to accomplish all that you have.


Thanks, RL. I am a lucky guy...and I hope you (and the others here) have a great life also.
FBM
 
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Thu 13 Dec, 2012 09:57 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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I'm not talking about people choosing Heaven or Hell. Only an idiot would choose Hell. I'm talking about people being judged good or evil by God. Does it happen or doesn't it?

It may...But I don't believe the end result is Heaven or Hell...And that is it...I am sorry, but I disagree with the way you see it...I think if it does happen that way...Then people see God in his revelation and then chose to be with him or not by their actions...And God has no judging he has to do, but they condemn themselves if they chose to reject him after his revelation....I would not say that is judgment...But people being so condenmed by their wickedness...They do not want to be around this God...Because they can just feel how wrong they are...And can't take this feeling...

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I can't figure out what you're saying there. Did God author the Bible or was it the work of man? If God didn't author it, then why should we believe it? We have plentiful examples of deluded people who think God talks to them.

I apologize....It was the work of man with God leading the way...I don't think that everything that God can do is fully explained in it...And I don't believe that everything that will happen is explained in just the Bible...

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Sorry, but one of the very essential teachings of Buddhism is anatta, no soul has ever been found. Buddhist philosophy starts off with the observation that no soul has ever been observed. Whatever documentary you saw seems to have been bullshit.

Well I do respect your opinions, and I do not think I understand Buddhism better than you do...But what they had said, seemed to make sense...In some ways...And it incorperated that a soul (or whatever they called an essence) is purged for cleansing, and is reborn in a state more suitible for less anger...Or things that were root causes of sufferings...in the previous lifetime...

I am saying that I think this could be true, but would not have to happen more than once...If it did...But it also could...

I am probably saying it incorrectly...But that was sorta the gist of it...I am sorry if I confused you with what they said...And what I believe...I lumped them together...




So you believe that God inspired men to tell the stories that accumulated over centuries that were eventually put together into the Bible. This Bible teaches that people who believe go to Heaven and people who don't believe go to Hell. But you don't believe that people go to Heaven or Hell? Did you arrive at this conclusion by divine revelation, or is it just something you made up because you prefer that version? No offense intended, just trying to clarify.

About Buddhism and the absence of a soul: https://sites.google.com/site/rahulawhatthebuddha/the-doctrine-of-no-soul
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
I understood it Frank...Because I have an opinion that what you said is actually a belief...Or I think I "know" you do...Does not mean that I do not understand what you said without comprehension...But that too is a belief that you have about me...Or something that you think you "know"...Whatever way you wish to emphasize it...

You have said you have no beliefs...Then asked Spendi what he knew...Then he told you...And you told him he was incorrect in what he knew...You can only do this if you think you know he is correct, or if you think you know he is inccorect, and why...And yes, if you think you know something, that is the same exact thing as a belief....I am sorry if you disagree, I don't make this stuff up...But you can't be uncertain....

I think that you think you are...But I think you are not...It is one thing to say you are uncertain...But when you try to beat around this because of fear of a coin flip, and tell others how you think you know they are inccorrect about their beliefs...You can't be unsure about what you think...

Just like you think I do not listen....I guess it does no good, because I think you have no regards to learn....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:14 am
@FBM,
Divine Revelation....

I did not say that I believe that people do not go to Heaven, or Hell...I said I do not think that it is black and white...I think that people may be purged...But will end up in Heaven....Or cease to exist...
FBM
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:19 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Oh! Purgatory! Now I got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Smile Where did the 'cease to exist' part come from? I don't recall that being taught in the Bible or anywhere else in Christian doctrine. Is that the part you made up? Or did you get it from a source? Just trying to understand.

So anyway, do you mean that God can't convert non-believers, or that he chooses not to?

Edit: Wait. I skipped over something. You get your information from divine revelation? God speaks directly to you?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:32 am
@FBM,
I have said it before...

I did not make it up...

It does not have to be in a book to think it will happen...

Neither to god not being able to either...

Everyone will know he is God...Then they can be with him or not be with him...But people will live of the evil they have done...Till their soul is in peace forever...

Some may be granted in...Some may not...Some may be reborn...Some may not...

It all depends on what you do...And what you believe is the way to find this God...Or in what way you think he is not...Or is evil...

And how you find true repentance...Or are clean...

I am not interested in discussing divine revelation...
FBM
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:38 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Sorry, I didn't mean that as an insult. I just meant that if it's not taught anywhere, then it must be your unique thoughts. Or divine revelation. But you're not interested in talking about that, so now I'm left hanging.

To be perfectly honest, it doesn't seem like you're very interested in trying to convince atheists to accept your beliefs. Not completely uninterested, mind you. I mean, you do seem to want us to believe you; you just don't seem to want to develop convincing arguments in favor of your beliefs.
FBM
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:44 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
By the way, if you don't want to discuss this with me anymore, I'll understand. I'm not here to annoy you.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 02:58 am
@FBM,
It is because I do not think I should have to make convincing arguements for people to convert...Even if I have a divine revelation...If people want to find God...They do not need me...But if they want to find him thru me...I can help them...But they don't need me...And I can't accept that leap for them...If they don't want to take it...I have already done it...

Just like Buddhism teaches...They have to do it on their own...Or want it for themselves...

Why would someone really care about what I think a convincing argument is? Or is not? It all matters what they think a convincing argument is...So why take the time to break down exactly how each person needs to see a convincing arguement?...When I know I can't do it...I am not God...And can't do that...

I am not insulted...And I do not mind if we continue to talk...Unless you are saying that...because you feel this way? And would like to stop?

What time is it in South Korea?

It is 3:57 a.m. here...I live an hr away from New York City...
FBM
 
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Fri 14 Dec, 2012 03:05 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Well, maybe I misunderstood your purpose for expressing your religious views in a thread about atheists' lives being pointless. If you're not spreading the word of God in order to help convert non-believers, then what is your purpose? I thought that it was a Christian duty to try to convert non-believers. That's what I was taught when I was a Christian. I'm sure there's a bit about it in the Bible.

It's about 6 p.m. here. Sounds like it's way past your bedtime in NY! Don't stay awake on my account. These posts will still be here tomorrow. Good night! Smile
 

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