John Creasy wrote:Ah yes, another self-healed alcoholic who thinks only losers need help. It's funny how when somebody brings up alcoholism, suddenly everyone was an alcoholic.
This is nothing but the kind of judgment to be expected of a self-righteous creep--which is how your posts invariably read. People who have known me online for years know that i've discussed my drinking problem quite often, and through which i lived from age 14 to age 40. I have not said that only losers need help--that's your hateful strawman. You consistently disagree with people at this site, and you consistently sneer at them. As an argument progresses, you get nastier and nastier.
My point has been and remains that controlling groups, such as organized religion and AA, consistently and habitually beat down the self-respect of the individual. Their programs often have a tacit message that only losers try to "go it alone," and that those who attempt it invariably fail. I've worked in a men's shelter which required AA participation, and for a family shelter which required AA participation. The family shelter was a part of a quasi-religious company in the national charity industry. Nearly every program they had was organized by one church or another (which allowed them to avoid spending their own money, which they could then send to the national headquarters for brownie points). Only Catholic Social Services and Lutheran Social Services provided services, programs and referrals with no strings attached. The rest of them were in it for the prestige and the potential adherents, and often used volunteer labor to distribute goods and services provided charitably, and for which they paid not a dime.
My sister is a twenty year veteran of AA. I really don't need your self-righteous snottiness, nor MOAN's phony spiritualism to tell me about alcoholism, and how it affects people, and how so many organizations prey upon its victims for a tidy profit and influence in the community.
