Atheists... Your life is pointless

I would have to say that I see it similiar...like you do...but we don't really joke around as much as these 2 gentleman seem to be...though we do not ever get upset often I would have to say it would be funny if we had an auidence to listen to us...And joke with us...But then that kinda makes us seem more important than other people may think we are...Or make other people who do not take us seriously...Seriously...And I do not truly believe that if you and I have done this...That we want to, like to, or meant to...I believe that there are many good points in about the 20 minutes or so that I have watched...But I would say that Obama is right and a lot of spending is because of Bush...But I agree with Bill that more than every other president does not make sense...But I also believe that it is different with what Bush did...Or did not do...And 9/11 made a big difference that will hurt us for a long time...So you would have to watch the dept if it gets worse and worse these next 4 years carefully or if things change now that the Democrates have control of the goverment or enough to do things they could not last term...And I have to say...I can't imagine how the US will ever kill the deficit? What do you think?

See how much easier that was mate?

I think you know everything you need to know Frank...

SpadeMaster, Hitler said:

“The receptivity, of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power for forgetting is enormous.”

Do you not remember the many reference to slavery in the bible? Slavery is treated in the bible as it is normal, that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with slavery. Is it any wonder that slavery was adopted in the old south and justified by the bible?

One woman I know spends most of her time at church and at church functions with her family. She confided to me one day that she and her boyfriend spent Saturday nights out beating up homosexuals. A few years ago one of the homosexuals in Huntington was beaten up so bad that was severely brain damaged for life. The hate speech and teachings from the bloody pulpit are directly responsible for most of this violence. When you spend your Sundays listening to hate speech that vilifies homosexuals as perverts and sinners the violence is sure to follow like Mary’s little lamb.
The Christian stand on abortion that has become fashionable in the last few decades has led to murders and bombing as Christian cult members try to impose their religious cult views on others through murder and violence. There is no difference between the Taliban imposing their religious cult view on others and how the religious right tries to impose its views with bombings and murder.
Breeding with your slaves? There is another word for that it is called rape. Many of the southerners did in fact breed with their slaves quite frequently, including Thomas Jefferson. Do you believe the slaves in the biblical times were not beaten and raped? When you literally own another human being you are free to treat it like your cattle.

The bible not only preserves the ignorance of 2,000 years ago it imbues it with supernatural power and justifies it because god doesn’t make any mistakes he is a perfect supernatural creature.

Until future generations decide that Christianity is no different than any other mythology that predated it will continue to do untold harm. Much of the bigotry and ignorance in America is directly traceable to the prince of peace himself.

What makes you think that my Christian stance agrees with both of those premises just because it is taught? What makes you believe I go to a church to hear hate speech about homosexuials or abortion? (or anything else you think is hateful?)

And you think that Satan is the one who sets people free? And is the man of peace? Sorry, but Satan comes with the Bible and Christianity...If Christianity is wrong...And so is Jesus, then so is this Devil...

Do you understand what I said Frank? I don't think I can't teach you anything...I think I can teach you everything you want to know...There is a big difference...

Just being respectful of your wishes...

I am not sure if you do not want me to teach you the things I think I can...

I am also not sure of what you think I could teach you, or what you think you will learn from me...Because I do not know all the things you say you do not know...Or all the things you want to learn...about me...Or life in general...And that is why I was asking you...About yourself...

How much you actually agree...Or do not...Or what you think you will know or learn is all up to you if you agree with me or do not...

But I at least think you will learn what you actually think about everything we talk about...And won't be uncertain anymore...

Unless you think you want to be uncertain...

But then you will know you are uncertain because you want to be...

...I can't imagine how the US will ever kill the deficit? What do you think?

I have to say...This does not mean that I think people should not try to kill it...

I have to be honest mate...I don't pay enough attention to polictics to know what could/should be done to kill it...

But I think whatever way is best is not from the Democrats or Republicans...

But some independant out there...

Belonging to a party that may not exist yet...And a party member that may not even be born yet...

Respectfully, SM, I think you are over-reaching by a considerable margin. I mentioned earlier that I would indicate if I thought you were being patronizing...and you are stepping perilously close to being that at this point.

It has been an interesting discussion...and I will continue to follow what you have to say to others.

And quite a bit much else is wrong too Spade in that unlikely event.

What do you fancy? breech cloths and upmy-umpy-umpy-umpy stamping your feet in the snow circling around a totem? Take the world religions and try one on for a choice. And you have to take them before Christianity influenced them.

The idea that Christianity is wrong and it was thus a mistake for it to have evolved into top dog is unthinkable. Not on anybody's radar unthinkable I mean.

Having to find and kill a reindeer with pointed sticks in order to keep the ladies sweet is not my idea of how we should conduct our affairs. How on earth can anybody imagine us getting here under the wise tutelage of atheists?

The human race has been here 2 million years, according to the Cindy-Sue Dating Service, and that is a sufficient period of time for it to have worked out how to make a few million Cadillacs if the knack was instinctive.

All that gigantic pile of natural resources was no more than the dirt until Christianity showed how to turn it to good use by rearranging some of it. Spatially. How can it possibly have been wrong?

It is cool with me Frank...I enjoyed the conversations also...

I am glad that you "think" I am being close to patronising...

Not because I like patronising people...

But because at least you know that you think this and are not uncertain about it...

I want to say one last thing...

I disagree that I am being patronising...Because I never said that I thought I would be correct about everything...Nor am I interested in you being a clone of me or anything...And I would not have talked with you, if I was interested in you thinking just like me...Or doing this...

But you would be able to tell me and everyone exactly how you disagree with me or anyone else, because you would understand what you think you know...And what you do not know...And how you agree with them, or I.. or do not...and you would not be uncertain about my thoughts or other peoples...anymore...

And it seemed to have been working...

Best of luck Frank! Thanks for the conversations...

Spendi, if you are interested in my opinions please ask me what you would like to know about myself...Or what my opinions are...So that I can understand how you agree or do not...

I am not interested in deciphoring riddles right now...Or trying to break down your word game...

If it is worthy...And something people need to hear...There is no need to disguise it...And it should be spoken straight to the point...

It was as straight to the point as I could make it. There was no riddle. You are marking your own homework again. In the same way Frank does. He says I'm here for a laugh and you say I'm riddling and playing word games. What's the difference?

I think you must derive from that aspect of the educational process which places more emphasis on group interaction than upon the subject. Such an indulgence is not possible in scientific education however much value it may have for other purposes.

Actually, some of "that gigantic pile of natural resources" was much more than dirt "until Christianity showed up", Spendius.

Copper, tin, iron, gold, silver were all "rearranged" long, long before Christianity showed up.

Or are we supposed to forget about that stuff so that you can make the point you want to make?

If this slavery did in fact happen you also do not know if these people were beaten and raped do you? If you do...Why would this God not exist? Even if you thought he was evil? Believing in him is one thing...Believing he exists but chosing to go against him in believeing the Devil is God...Or the man of peace...is another...

Do you actually believe what you say? Or not till somone who embraces the church, but believes that Jesus is the savior turns peoples piles of dirt to gold? For you? Can you explain to me how you believe what you say, if you do not wait for someone who believes in the Church, and believes that Jesus is lord, turns these piles of dirt to gold? For you? Do you think that the Church does this by itself? How come? Is it not just a building, without the belief in Jesus?

Viewers here can make up their own mind about that. The ones who know no history and have no sense of proportion might agree with such a piercing insight.

Even you, Spendius, cannot be suggesting that prior to Christianity humans did not work with copper, tin, iron, gold, silver. Not sure what you are saying here, because you seldom actually say anything...you seem to be content just coming close.

In any case, the people who DO know history and have a sense of proportion probably will agree with what I wrote...and kinda snicker at the comment you made which prompted my comment.

I don't really understand your question Spade.

But no church is just a building. It is a power source. A sacred precinct.

An Imperial Shinto shrine is a power source. A mosque also. A Buddhist temple too. Radiating outwards and setting a certain tone which is sometimes challenged.

The spatial rearranging of the dirt before Christianity was so piddling it is not worth talking about. It's obviously not a nothing thing but it's a next-to-nothing thing.

Every last ounce of it could be dropped in the hole in the Mesabi Range and hardly be noticed. By the side of the coal and the oil it would look like a pea on Mt Everest.

I will reword my question with your answer...

And what makes this Church so much more than any of these other temples, in your opinions?

Is it the structural building itself? That is implimented...That directs society? That you believe... Or is it the belief in Jesus? That is done with descretion...That directs society? That you do not believe....

Do you think the building or belief turn dirt to gold? And why?