Atheists... Your life is pointless

^^ ditto the amen to Edgar.

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BBB Wrote:

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You've stumbled across the true reason organized religion (of all stripes) fear atheists of good repute.

This could only be possibly true if it were true that atheists of good repute were feared at all. I, for one, don't fear them. I don't fear atheists of ill repute either.

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I am my own worst enemy. I cannot depend on my own thinking to help me stay sober. I need a higher power. If that's a lack of self-esteem then so be it. It's better then being dead.

but not by much, buddy, but not by much.

Joe(your own worst enemy is supposed to be ironic, not a belief)Nation

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Joe Nation,

Where did that quote come from? You didn't say.

But, I agree with it 100%, being in recovery myself. An addict/alcoholic is (or is that are?) our own worst enemy.

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John Creasy wrote:

farmerman wrote:
sort of like AA which states, in essence, "You poor schmuck, you are incapable of handling your own affairs and , without help from a secret friend , higher than you, you will fail in everything you do."

I always had a problem with those kind of organizations. Most religions fit within that realm.
Do you think that the overtly religous have problems with self esteem?

HMMM, somebody really nasty could start a thread with a name as offensive as this one

You clearly don't have the slightest clue about alcoholism or the programs that help alcoholics. Of course I wouldn't expect you to.

I looked into the "Rational Recovery" website and it seems like a scam to me. They tell you that you're all on your own and that meetings produce dependence yada yada. Then of course they want you to buy some tape that is supposed to cure you!!! I am my own worst enemy. I cannot depend on my own thinking to help me stay sober. I need a higher power. If that's a lack of self-esteem then so be it. It's better then being dead.

MA Cut it out. Talk like that is self-destructive.

Here's the whole quote from John Creasy a couple of pages back. I skimmed it and then went on to other things, but the thought that anyone can think of themselves as their own worst enemy haunted me. So I looked it up again.

He says he cannot depend on his own thinking to stay sober but he is convinced by that same thinking that he is his own worst enemy. Odd that he can think the worst of himself but not the better. The person who got him into the mess is the same who can get him out and, unlike the I-am-no-one thinking, there will actually be a person there to get out rather than a shell with an imaginary friend.

I am not saying anything is easy, but how does someone who thinks they are their own worst enemy ever decide that they have achieved recovery? Or does one who is nothing just stay dependent forever?

When do you get your self-esteem back? Never?

Joe(ever?)Nation

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BBB, Ain't that the truth! In my world travels, I see so many money and wealth spent on churches rather than on the people that really need it, the priorities for religion seems way out of wack to the needs of humans - food and shelter.

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Joe Nation,

Ok, I now know you are definitely not an addict or an alcoholic.

The worst thing for an addict or an alcoholic to think is that they are not their own worst enemy WHEN IT COMES TO THE ADDICTION (caps for emphasis only). If an addict or alcoholic starts thinking in any way that they can control their addiction, they will be right back into it in a heartbeat! I can tell you this from personal experience.

We always keep that point in mind so we don't go back to our addiction. Yes, we focus on the good things. We focus on our recovery. We focus on the blessings in our life and not what has happened but what is the next right thing to do.

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Momma Angel, I've been looking for you. Would you be interested in joining me this afternoon for a nice tall glass of goat's blood, followed by a playful romp in the cemetery?

Looking forward to your answer.

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I used to be an alcoholic and a heavy smoker, from childhood. I beat both addictions and have little problem with myself or the past in that regard. I beat smoking from disinterest. When I tried to quit, I had no success. Eventually, I lost interest in tobacco and just quit buying any. Alcoholism was harder to fight, being I come from a long line of hopeless addicts, but, through personal effort, I did it. Now I can be in a room full of drunks and not feel the slightest urge to have one. My life is fuller, and I have no one to thank but myself.

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gustavratzenhofer Wrote:

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Momma Angel, I've been looking for you. Would you be interested in joining me this afternoon for a nice tall glass of goat's blood, followed by a playful romp in the cemetery?

Looking forward to your answer.

I respectfully decline your offer.

edgar,

I am glad for you that is the way it works for you. However, that won't work for me. If I start thinking I have only myself to thank, I would be on drugs again. But, it's different for everyone.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

BBB, Ain't that the truth! In my world travels, I see so many money and wealth spent on churches rather than on the people that really need it, the priorities for religion seems way out of wack to the needs of humans - food and shelter.

Being a world traveller and all.... you must know that the money that is given to the Churches is used to assist with the food and shelter of those in need. Or, is that only my Church? How much of the money that you use for world travel is given to others in need? I don't want to really know, I just want you to consider this.

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But a multimillion dollar palace does seem less than philanthropic. no?

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Intrepid, You're barking at the wrong tree. We do our share of charitable giving - and the rest of none of your goddamn business. That I enjoy the fruits of my labor is up yours.

My point about grandiose churches still stands.

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C.I.,

God's last name IS NOT damn! Intrepid, told you he didn't want an answer. I believe what he meant was and I think this can answer edgar's point also, is what one gives and what one has should be pretty well balanced. So, if a church is a multi-milliondollar church, I would expect it to give multi-millions to help.

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edgarblythe wrote:

But a multimillion dollar palace does seem less than philanthropic. no?

I suppose it depends on who owns it. I assume you mean a Christian because an atheist would never be so bold as to purchase such an extravagant abode, would they.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, You're barking at the wrong tree. We do our share of charitable giving - and the rest of none of your goddamn business. That I enjoy the fruits of my labor is up yours.

My point about grandiose churches still stands.

Spoken like a true hater of Christianity. If you retain the ability to read, you would have read that I said I did not want to know. I just wanted you to consider it yourself. Your ignorant, profane language shows your lack of morals and has no reflection on me.

Welcome back. Somebody said you were gone for a while.

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Momma Angel wrote:

C.I.,

God's last name IS NOT damn! Intrepid, told you he didn't want an answer. I believe what he meant was and I think this can answer edgar's point also, is what one gives and what one has should be pretty well balanced. So, if a church is a multi-milliondollar church, I would expect it to give multi-millions to help.

Seems to be CI's version of Shock and Awe. I am sure that he will act like an adult some day. We will pray for it.

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I should have said Church where I said Palace. They just built one down the street with a huge electric sign out front and are preparing to build what I was told to be a gymnasium. No way they need those plush seats and fancy doodads to "do God's work."

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Edgar,

May I ask you a question? LOL, ok a different one from that one. You are atheist (I believe you have stated that many times.) Can I ask you how you think the church being built down the street should be?

Maybe the gymnasium is for children to have a safe place to meet and play basketball, etc.? The plush seats are so people don't get uncomfortable physically and can focus on the message instead of the fact that their buttocks bones might be hurting?

What kind of things will this church be doing for the community?

Ok, that was lots of questins. Sorry.

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I have been in churches more modestly built and it did not hurt to sit in the older style seats. It is an affluent church for the new neighborhoods springing up like magic mushrooms all over the immediate area. I am sure the gym will be for the children of these people to be insulated from the real world. I have yet to see what works for people outside of their own immediate they will be doing.

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