Atheists... Your life is pointless

Tsubamegaeshi that was a really well thought out reply, keep up the good work.

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Well John you obviously know nothing of human-nature so it doesn't surprise me to hear such a stupid remark coming from such a well-educated person. Life is objectively meaningless because we serve no purpose to the universe, but not subjectively meaningless so you are mistaken when you say that life is meaningless for atheists. Just because their isn't a celestial significance behind our lives doesn't make our lives meaningless; we create our own steps, own own journey, and our own destiny. We are the creators of our destiny so we create the meaning.

Someone asked what I would say to Jesus if he needed to prove to me that he was real and here was my response:

I would only ask him a series of questions if I had the opportunity, but only to see how he would answer them.

First, I would ask if God is omniscient. If he answered yes god is omniscient, then I would ask this: If god is omniscient, then would he have the power to see the end at the beginning and everything in-between? If he answered yes then I would ask another question: If god had the ability to see everything before it happened then why would he create an angel (the devil) who would go against him? If he knew that "Satan" was going to turn on him, then why would he create him in the first place? After all, it was because of the "snake" tempting Adam and Eve that resulted in original sin which damned all the nations to come. I mean, if a god really was omniscient, then was his divine plan to create a creature to go against him so he could justify the fall of man? Never helping humanity??

Or is it that he is not omniscient and didn't see the bad results until they happened?

Is it that he seen the evil to come from his creation, but lacked the ability to change it?

If he is all-powerful, then can he change his all-knowing mind? If so, then he would not be all-knowing; or, in other words, omniscient. If he lacked the power to change his mind, then he would not be omnipotent.

The problems of god are very profound and this truly is a small sect of questions concering religion and god. If you would like to raise questions, please do.
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Make an attempt to answer my questions and then you can tell me that my life is meaningless.

Furthermore, how do you make sense out of book with such profound contradictions. In Genisis, for instance, it says that Adam and Eve were created on the same day at the same time; then it later on says that Adam was created first and when he gets lonely, god then creates Eve for him. How do you make sense of this when you have two different creation stories?

Also, if Adam and Eve only had two sons (Cain and Able) then where did the rest of humanity come from?

Religion is a falsification of reality and your god doesn't exist.

John you strike me as an agnostic. Since God is all powerful, he created atheists to work for a dollar a day in China as slaves making beautiful plastic Christmas ornaments we can buy at Walmart for 3 bucks. Rejoice for this is true, and he also made atheists tanks suck so all we need is one M1 ABRAM TANK to knock out 12 Russian T72 tanks easy; like shooting ducks. Of course atheists do not bother God, unless they complain too much in North Korea, then He blights their crops and their children starve.

I understood you were studying neuroscience rl. From the neuro-scientific point of view Tsub's post was a load of sentimental hogwash derived from Christian conditioning.

Love is a physio-chemical reaction isn't it? What else can it be? It was a crime in Brave New World and in 1984. It was a madness in the Pagan dispensation.

Prof. B.F. Skinner. M.A. Ph.D.

Are you serious, or are you trolling?

God doesn't create atheists; He creates individuals who become atheists.

Timetravel is the newest troll addition to a2k.

And there is no god to create anything at all.

Its good to see that some of A2K "classics" dont just die in the ether.

Now if someone would only resurrect "Western STyle Breakfasts", Id be a happy cook.

Wearing an apron I sincerely hope.

As far as I can tell, we're all born atheists and have to be taught/indoctrinated/brainwashed (it's best to get them when they're young ) by humans, not any god, into believing something so incredible, far-fetched and outlandish.

Brainwashed is spot on! Kids are indoctrinated from early in their life, and don't know any better than to follow in their parent's religion. That's the reason why I call religion an accident of birth.

If one is born in Italy, it's probably guaranteed that he/she will become a Catholic. In India, probably a Hindu.

Which religion is the best? It makes me wonder with all the biases, bigotry, and inhuman behavior of most people who believe in one religion or another.

Which religion is best? It seems to me that no religion at all would be best, since almost every religion I know of relies on ignorance and blind faith. Better to replace it with knowledge, I'd say.

But a whole lot of people need the emotional comfort (alleviation of the fear of death, etc) provided by religions, so I'd say that among them, the one that best fosters a peaceful co-existence of people with each other and the environment, while at the same time providing sufficient self-development for the individual. The specific answer may vary with the individual, of course. But at the very least, I'd say one that doesn't justify violence in the spreading of its word or the condemnation of non-believers and/or believers in other religions.

I agree completely.



I think this is a cultural problem. I think the way that a majority go about it makes them apprehensive about facing their own mortality. They shy away from the topic and don't know how to cope with it and would rather just write it off and make up fantasies about it. We are taught the wrong tools on how to cope with it. This is what needs to be fix and I doubt any religion will provide the proper education.

Yeah...I suspect that is "as far as you can tell."

I find that as outlandish as what the theists are able to come up with when they are rationalizing their positions.

I try to avoid sweeping declarations by including such phrases as 'as far as I can tell' because over-generalizations make such easy targets.

If by 'rationalizing' you mean looking at the empirical data and drawing the most rational conclusions based on them, then yes, I'm guilty of rationalizing. But I think a better word is 'reasoning,' something that theists are trained to eschew in favor of blind belief and obdedience to emotionally comforting traditions, seeing as how they have no credible data with which to engage their faculty of reason.

Or as far as I know. I may be wrong, of course. If someone has stumbled across some evidence for the existence of the supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient, creator-deity described by those old Bronze Age myths called the Bible, I'll gladly take a gander at it.

I mean exactly what I said, FBM. Try dealing with that rather than creating (to be kind) hypotheticals and then arguing against them.

I quoted something you said exactly...using the words you wrote exactly as you wrote them...and I commented on them.

With all the respect in the world, FBM, I may well consider the theistic position to be as outlandish as you do. I am saying that I consider your position to be outlandish also. But I stand I my reply as given and look forward to you actually addressing what I wrote.

What is my position, as you understand it?

Why don't you tell me.

Start with that comment about everyone being born an atheist!