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Atheists... Your life is pointless

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Krumple
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Why don't you tell me.

Start with that comment about everyone being born an atheist!


Trying to revive the war on semantics again?
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FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Why don't you tell me.


You sounded as if you already knew it quite well, considering how you so quickly and confidently labelled it as outlandish.

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Start with that comment about everyone being born an atheist!


Do you know anyone who was born believing in a god? Or anything else, for that matter?
Krumple
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:47 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Why don't you tell me.

Start with that comment about everyone being born an atheist!


Do you know anyone who was born believing in a god? Or anything else, for that matter?


FBM he is trying to wrestle you into an argument of semantics. He believes that atheism means active disbelief in a god. Different than non-belief. So he will argue that babies don't actively disbelieve in a god and therefore can not be considered atheists.

The problem is we don't have a word that describes a person who doesn't have a belief in something. A completely neutral position, because the definition of atheist has been bent and messed up in the dictionary to mean active disbelief.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:53 am
@FBM,
Why don't you answer the question?

Tell me what you position is...and if you would be so kind, I would appreciate you starting with your comment about everyone being born an atheist.
FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:53 am
@Krumple,
Oh. One of those. Thanks for the warning. Wink
FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Why don't you answer the question?

Tell me what you position is...and if you would be so kind, I would appreciate you starting with your comment about everyone being born an atheist.


Strange. You seemed so confident earlier in trashing my position, it's only reasonable to surmise that you know it quite thoroughly.

And in response to your request, see my last post above, plz.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:55 am
@Krumple,
Quote:
FBM he is trying to wrestle you into an argument of semantics. He believes that atheism means active disbelief in a god. Different than non-belief. So he will argue that babies don't actively disbelieve in a god and therefore can not be considered atheists.

The problem is we don't have a word that describes a person who doesn't have a belief in something. A completely neutral position, because the definition of atheist has been bent and messed up in the dictionary to mean active disbelief.


Actually, the definition of atheist has been bent and messed up by modern atheists who do not have the balls to defend their beliefs that there are no gods.

Atheism throughout history has meant someone who believes there are no gods.

Krumple
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:57 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Oh. One of those. Thanks for the warning. Wink


Although if you are up for it, why not humor him? I know he loves this game of semantics though. It will at the minimum make him happy to discuss it once again for probably the hundredth time here.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:57 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Strange. You seemed so confident earlier in trashing my position, it's only reasonable to surmise that you know it quite thoroughly.


Only for people who do not know how to read properly. I gave no indication that I knew your position quite thoroughly. I asked you a question about a specific that you wrote.

Quote:
And in response to your request, see my last post above, plz.


I've re-read your response. You still have not answered the question.
FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:00 am
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:

FBM wrote:

Oh. One of those. Thanks for the warning. Wink


Although if you are up for it, why not humor him? I know he loves this game of semantics though. It will at the minimum make him happy to discuss it once again for probably the hundredth time here.


Yeah, I'm getting the feel of it now. I think I'll pass on this one. Cheers.

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FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:
Strange. You seemed so confident earlier in trashing my position, it's only reasonable to surmise that you know it quite thoroughly.


Only for people who do not know how to read properly. I gave no indication that I knew your position quite thoroughly. I asked you a question about a specific that you wrote.

Quote:
And in response to your request, see my last post above, plz.


I've re-read your response. You still have not answered the question.


I'm not prepared to get into it at the moment. I'll just say "Pyrrho of Elis" and if you're interested enough, you'll be able to ascertain my "position" from that. Cheers.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:04 am
@FBM,
Quote:
I'm not prepared to get into it at the moment. I'll just say "Pyrrho of Elis" and if you're interested enough, you'll be able to ascertain my "position" from that. Cheers.



I suspect you mean Pyrrhus of Epirus--but no matter. I understand completely.
FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:09 am
@Frank Apisa,
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pyrrho/
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
modern atheists who do not have the balls to defend their beliefs that there are no gods.

Atheism throughout history has meant someone who believes there are no gods.


Wow I see you are back at it again Frank "being a bully Laughing

Do you think that it takes larger balls to defend a non belief in a God than it does a non belief of an Easter bunny?
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:31 am
@FBM,
Quote:



I suspect Pyrrhus of Epirus would have been a better proffer. I had just offered Pyrrhus of Epirus** during a discussion in another thread minutes before you wrote, so I thought that is where you were going. I seldom go to classical philosophers for thoughts...you know earth, wind, fire, water and all that. Sorry.

**http://open.salon.com/blog/libbyliberalnyc/2012/09/03/please_help_green_partys_jill_stein_get_her_first_ad_on_tv#comment_3062587

(fifth comment down in the thread)
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:33 am
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Wow I see you are back at it again Frank "being a bully


I'm never a bully, RL. I'm not smart enough to try that. I was merely trying to instigate a discussion on a subject I enjoy with someone new. Apparently, to my dismay, that is not going to happen.


Quote:
Do you think that it takes larger balls to defend a non belief in a God than it does a non belief of an Easter bunny?


Oh, Now we are going to the Easter bunny. No unicorns for the moment...or CPA's working on one of the moons of Saturn!

Tell me, RL...why do you believe there are no gods?
FBM
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
No need to apologize. Nobody is born knowing all this stuff. It's acquired through the educational process.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:34 am
@reasoning logic,
And you're back on the same track with your simplistic arguments. If you want to be taken seriously you should knock the Easter Bunny thing on the head.

Also it might be an idea not to blame everything on socio/psychopathic behaviour.

Frank's not a bully, he's a bit dogmatic, but then again so are you.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
It's also a salutory lesson not to post in haste. Check out the facts first or you end up with egg on you're face.

We've all done it.
reasoning logic
 
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Tue 4 Sep, 2012 05:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Tell me, RL...why do you believe there are no gods?


I do not have a belief on the issue but I do have an understanding and this understanding has no evidence that supports the existence of any Gods or Easter bunnys
 

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