Atheists... Your life is pointless

OH?

It is an assertion that whole peoples had been wiped off the face of the earth time after time in the name of one religion or another including Christianity?

Is it an assertion that Jews for example who had claimed to have converted to Christianity in order to be allow to remain in Spain was torture to deaths in large numbers so the Spanish government and church could get their wealth in the name of saving their souls?

Sorry any reading of the long history of the human race will proved my points.

Lots of Iraqis were wiped off the face of the Earth because of oil. How is that any different?

It seem to be a much bigger problem than religion alone doesn't it. I think that some people use religion to persuade other people to engage in these horrific crimes.

Your's and Bill's simplistic views are ridiculously absurd. The causes and functions of religious beliefs are irreducibly complex.

One of the problems I have with Mr. RM is his refusal to accept that there's a very dark side to human nature that has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It's a cop out, by blaming it on religion he can pretend to himself that he's above everything.. Everything's the fault of the clerics. Religion is just an excuse, but it's not the only one. WMDs, and getting rid of a dictator, are other excuses.

I've been saying that all along.

That seems unlikely, Spendius. I suspect no matter how reduced they are, they will remain complex, but to suggest they are "irreducibly" complex seems a stretch.

I meant they are beyond the wit of man to figure out. One might pretend otherwise in order to make some pantsdown situations seem more respectable than they are but subjectivity has no place in an intellectual discussion about atheism.

Which is the sub text of the pronouncements of Prof. Richard Dawkins.

Actually, I agree with you here, Spendius. I am not a fan of religion at all...and often think the world would be a better place without religions, but some of the comments here are less intellectual comments about religion and its value or lack of value than they are gratuitous insults.

Both sides, as so often is the case, tend to polarize and refuse to see any value in the other side's arguments. But both ought to be thinking about areas of agreement that could curb the excesses that are so troubling to both sides.

Hey Frank! Good to see from you, again! I don't see you much...So I wanted to say Hi, when I seen you post, somewhere...

How is that Golf game going?

Nothing hard to figure out that it is not a good thing to have whole people wiped out over the issue for example of how must a man and how must of a god Jesus happen to had been.

Or to have human cultures advancements slow down and even stop for a time because facts concerning the real universe can not be allow to interfere with religion dogma.

I'd rather have a pointless life not believing in BS than have a pointless believing in BS

Good for you, I think you'll find the original poster fucked off a long time ago.

Have you read Frank's post?



Would you class your post as an 'intellectual comment about religion,' or a 'gratuitous insult?'

That's tautological Bill. Rubbish I mean. Not only that but it is a non sequitur as well. What is your "slow down" to be compared with apart from some fantasy notion of your own about a speed up with atheism. Fat chance.

But how do you know you would prefer the life in the event everybody agreed with you? You have no situation where nobody believes any BS to compare it with, I suspect it would be dire in the extreme.

I find it interesting when theists try to claim that atheists simply can't have a purpose or their life is meaningless without believing in a deity.

I say if your purpose for living is to fall in line and submit yourself to what this supposid diety wants then your life is a program. You either agree to it and succeed or you fail. This is nothing more than mind slavery.

I see that life is completely free. Regardless if there is a deity or not, I can chose what I want and i don't submit myself to anything unless I think it is reasonable. I don't care if people think certain things are wrong or evil, unless I can see their reasoning. I think the non-existence of a deity actually makes your life more meaningful because it is true freedom rather than becoming a mind slave to the idea that you must win favor for this deity or else suffer eternally for failure.

I would much rather risk that I am wrong because I am living up to my own ideals rather than subjecting myself to something I can't rationalize. I would much rather face hell to live how I want to live than to suck face and submit myself to something I think is not right but do it purely to win favor.

I don't see most theists as actually good people. They only do what they do to win their reward. If this reward didn't exist I think they would be the most wicked people in society. You can see this when they slip up. I am not saying that I am always right, but this line of thinking allows me to actually grow and understand rather than just shrug it off and push off responsiblity like most theists do.

One need only look at human history to understand that religions have been brutal to humanity in many ways. They create different sects, than kill each other, because their god tells them to - or some such. They create discrimination and bigotry against other groups of humans - and even women!

Who needs the devil, when they all do the work so well!

I usually don't bash on people who believe in God or whatever they believe in because it's every person's right to believe in whatever they want to believe in, but I won't stand for this insult to fellow human beings.

So just because we're atheists that means we believe in survival of the fittest? Just because we're atheists we believe love of others is just some accidental emotion? Just because we're atheists our lives, our children's lives and our children's children's lives will all be over soon SIMPLY because we don't believe in God or higher beings?

Don't be conceited. Your ignorant reasoning is that simply because atheists don't believe that a higher being, i.e God, created this world we live in our lives are utterly pointless and meaningless? If that is the case then I am happy to be an atheist because I would hate to believe in a God whose followers who has such a narrowminded, cruel and selfish view on people's lives since I think that says a lot about himself.

Atheists are fully capable of feeling love and every other emotion humans feel just as well as someone who believes in God. Don't think you're special simply because you've embraced God and others haven't, it doesn't make you any better than them. We are all equals and no person's life is less meaningful than the person next to him/her, whether they believe in God or not. I thought something like this was basic knowledge for someone who believes in God because his followers are supposed to be there for and guide people whose paths in life are uncertain, not condemn them.

So if you're going to be a believer, do it right. You're only making yourself look like (and you most likely are) a conceited cold-hearted bastard who thinks nothing of the lives of others unless they believe in God...which makes atheists that much better in comparison.

You can ponder about this while you're praying to something that doesn't exist as your time is the one being wasted; not ours. We atheists can go enjoy our lives and do the things we want to do with the gift of life that has been given to us, not by God, but by our parents...the fellow human beings whose lives you call pointless and meaningless.

Have fun.

I usually don't bash on people who believe in God or whatever they believe in because it's every person's right to believe in whatever they want to believe in, but I won't stand for this insult to fellow human beings.

So just because we're atheists that means we believe in survival of the fittest? Just because we're atheists we believe love of others is just some accidental emotion? Just because we're atheists our lives, our children's lives and our children's children's lives will all be over soon SIMPLY because we don't believe in God or higher beings?

Don't be conceited. Your ignorant reasoning is that simply because atheists don't believe that a higher being, i.e God, created this world we live in our lives are utterly pointless and meaningless? If that is the case then I am happy to be an atheist because I would hate to believe in a God whose followers who has such a narrowminded, cruel and selfish view on people's lives since I think that says a lot about himself.

Atheists are fully capable of feeling love and every other emotion humans feel just as well as someone who believes in God. Don't think you're special simply because you've embraced God and others haven't, it doesn't make you any better than them. We are all equals and no person's life is less meaningful than the person next to him/her, whether they believe in God or not. I thought something like this was basic knowledge for someone who believes in God because his followers are supposed to be there for and guide people whose paths in life are uncertain, not condemn them.

So if you're going to be a believer, do it right. You're only making yourself look like (and you most likely are) a conceited cold-hearted bastard who thinks nothing of the lives of others unless they believe in God...which makes atheists that much better in comparison.

You can ponder about this while you're praying to something that doesn't exist as your time is the one being wasted; not ours. We atheists can go enjoy our lives and do the things we want to do with the gift of life that has been given to us, not by God, but by our parents...the fellow human beings whose lives you call pointless and meaningless.

Have fun.