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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:13 am
Oh, but I do. However, they are always bemoaning this or that and really do not appear to be all that happy.
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Arella Mae
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:21 am
And I have to agree wtih Intrepid here. I realize this is not the case for everyone. But, in my experience, those that have no concept of God or any resemblence of a belief system, do not seem very happy. That is just from personal experience. And yes, I know many that are this way.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:23 am
Phoenix, Intrepid asks you for statistics but wants us to take his last statement at face value'
"Non Christains and atheists are less happy"


thats doody
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Setanta
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:26 am
It's horsie poop of the highest, most rank order . . . would you expect any less from the imaginary friend crowd?
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farmerman
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:28 am
Im agnostic but I still buy a lottery ticket.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:29 am
I thought modern medical science was able effectively to treat that conditon, FM, no?
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Arella Mae
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:30 am
I know that I made it clear that it was in my experience and not the world's. I also feel Intrepid made this quite clear.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:31 am
Intrepid- I don't know where you live, but I was brought up in a sophisticated metropolitan area, where religion was not as important in the general scheme of things, as in some areas of the country. That may account for the differences in our perceptions, based on our own personal experiences.

Where I live now, I come in contact with people from all over the country. Many, especially from the heartland, tend to be more religious than those I had known earlier, but I have met few that are consumed by their religion.

No, I do not have any statistics, but over the years I have met many people who had become involved in fundamentalist type religions. To a man, each of those people were suffering from one or more of the problems that I had outlined in my post, and had grabbed onto the religion in an attempt to find relief from their miserable lives. Each of them was absolutely certain that he had found THE answer,

In some cases, it worked. More power to them. I would suppose that if the religion appeared to enhance their lives, it did have some positive value.

Most happy people that I know derive fulfillment from life, nature, culture and other people. Some may be nominally religious, but keep it in a reasonable perspective, and don't allow it to overtake their lives.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:33 am
farmerman wrote:
Phoenix, Intrepid asks you for statistics but wants us to take his last statement at face value'
"Non Christains and atheists are less happy"


thats doody


Reading comprehension classes are available upon request.

Why do you change my words, farmerman? I said people that I know. If you choose not to believe me, then that is your perogative and right. You can play your little mind games all you want. It doesn't change facts.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:35 am
Quote:
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission ~ Eleanor Roosevelt


Intrepid- I just noticed your quote. Interesting.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:37 am
You should really expand your horizons, Phoenix. The U.S. is not the only country in the world and everything does not revolve around it. I come from the largest city in Canada and I don't find religion to be a matter of geography. At least where I live.

I do find it very telling that I made a post defending the atheists and agnostics and then they come out in force to attack me. Very telling indeed.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:38 am
Well, I can only describe what I know by my own personal experience.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:43 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Quote:
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission ~ Eleanor Roosevelt


Intrepid- I just noticed your quote. Interesting.


Actually, I find it interesting too. Partly because I chose an American for the quote. However, there are many great Americans and this would not be a barrier for me. Secondly, because it is a woman. Thirdly, because it is true. If we do not give our permission and allow someone to make us feel inferior, we won't.

What is it that you find interesting?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:47 am
Intrepid- From what I understand about Christianity, the only way to be "saved" is by having a belief in Christ. Is that not putting yourself, by choice, in an inferior position?

Oh, by the way, where I live there are lots of Canadians, mostly "snowbirds".
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 11:51 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Intrepid- From what I understand about Christianity, the only way to be "saved" is by having a belief in Christ. Is that not putting yourself, by choice, in an inferior position?

Oh, by the way, where I live there are lots of Canadians, mostly "snowbirds".


Why would that be putting oneself in an inferior position? Certainly not inferior to man. Inferior to God? Since Christians believe that God is responsible for man being here in the first place we place Him above all else. If you consider that inferior..so be it. Either way, it is my choice and I gladly submit to it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 12:00 pm
Quote:
Since Christians believe that God is responsible for man being here in the first place we place Him above all else. If you consider that inferior..so be it. Either way, it is my choice and I gladly submit to it.


Intrepid- Can't argue with you. But that is exactly why I found your particular choice of quotations interesting.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 12:01 pm
I saw that quote several years ago and it has always stuck with me. Even though it was quoted by Eleanor Roosevelt, it could just as easily be quoted by Jesus Christ.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 12:08 pm
Intrepid wrote:
I saw that quote several years ago and it has always stuck with me. Even though it was quoted by Eleanor Roosevelt, it could just as easily be quoted by Jesus Christ.


I don't think so. What do you think that Jesus would say about someone who believed that he was simply a very convincing firebrand of a rabbi, who broke with many of the cultural traditions of the day?


BTW, I happen to think that Eleanor was right on target!
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farmerman
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 12:12 pm
Intrepid
Quote:
Reading comprehension classes are available upon request.

Not from you sir, since you practice no comprehension skills that I would find useful. I often have to read meanings within meanings, Obviously thats a gift you dont possess Pity, since most Bible scholars Ive met, seem to beat each other up concerning the "REAL" meaning of a particular phrase.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 7 Nov, 2005 01:07 pm
Intrepid wrote:
I do find it very telling that I made a post defending the atheists and agnostics and then they come out in force to attack me. Very telling indeed.


Oh jeeze, whine, whine . . . the people here can defend themselves, in the first place; in the second, christians are always on about virtue being its own reward, so you shouldn't expect to be congratulated for doing what you believe is the right thing to do; finally, you weren't attacked, you were criticized for not applying to your own anectdotal evidence the same sneer you had just leveled at Phoenix--get a grip and develop a sense of proportion.

Somebody get the boy a crying towel, and let's all sing a rousing chorus of Poor, Poor Pitiful Me . . .

Edit: I've spent quite a while in Toronto, and there is no evidence of any more of a religious atmosphere here than in any other North American city, and in fact, there is a high proportion of Muslims and Hindus here, as well as a fair representation of other beliefs. You have no case to make, you're just whistling past the graveyard . . .
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