Atheists... Your life is pointless

@cicerone imposter,

Why don't you explain it to me then...Since so MANY of your comrades first, say that they are NOT 100% sure of a non existent God, 2, they want an atheistic society right? ok, tell us believers what it is we are buying into?? third, if some of you took your heads out of your ass, you would realize that if we were brainwashed into dogmatic scriptures, and into religion...than it should be NO PROBLEM accepting something that is believable...but the problem is you can not do these things, or further wish to prolong it! lastly, If the world is exploding (which it currently is) with "free thinkers" than you guys would be truly optimistic to say the least, if not for your lifetime, then for your children, and children's children, but your not...your just as gloomy as religious who know another end is coming soon...

Now explain to me, why I should believe that Atheism is the right path??

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@Setanta,

Not at all true, Go look at my profile, after all that was exchanged between Krumple and I, he seemed to go out of his way to add me to follow me...

Doesn't seem like he thinks I am full of bullshit after all does it?? Not after what he last said to me about me rejecting his "proof" that destroys my "beliefs" does it??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Now explain to me, why I should believe that Atheism is the right path??

I'm sure the atheists participating have their own response to that, SpadeMaster, but my response would be...atheism is not the "right path."

Agnosticism is what I would recommend. And I wouldn't recommend that you "believe" it...I would simply recommend that you acknowledge it. Of course, if you do, I would then recommend that you go further and shape your agnosticism closer to the way I have shaped mine.

If you would like to discuss that, we could. We could also discuss the concept without the use of the word "agnosticism" at all.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Agnosticism is what I would recommend. And I wouldn't recommend that you "believe" it...I would simply recommend that you acknowledge it. Of course, if you do, I would then recommend that you go further and shape your agnosticism closer to the way I have shaped mine.

If you would like to discuss that, we could. We could also discuss the concept without the use of the word "agnosticism" at all.

Frank, I am going to be completely honest with you here...First, I will never turn down someone who is being genuine, and wishes to have an intelligent conversation with me...So yes, I would love to talk about agnosticism...

2, I am tired, and have been up awhile, so If you post something, I may not respond, I am going to lay down soon, but I promise I will read it, and reply to you...I am not doing it for any other reason(s)...

3. I understand the basic concepts of Agnosticism, but really do not know much about it, like what a personal outline of how they define things are...

4. I want to say, as far as a genuine all out agnostic, and nothing less, nothing more...You seem to me, to be the most genuine I have ever met on here...

5. Lastly, I am not interested in being an agnostic, I think I have found my path...But I am always up for learning...

So in closing why don't we start with you basically describing how or what you are, and give me a general outline of what you do, or do not follow, or how you would call it...label it??

Thanks a lot mate, have a great day or night, I will be back soon!!

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@Frank Apisa,

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If you would like to discuss that, we could. We could also discuss the concept without the use of the word "agnosticism" at all.

You could use the the expression "not knowing what to think". Hence not knowing what to do in certain areas of life.

Adultery was banned because it caused feuds. And feuds often got out of hand. A more effective way was to have people believe it to be wrong. Or take it for granted as swingers do. Which is not quite to be trusted. Adultery also caused problems concerning property accumulations. And inheritance difficulties.

If you don't know whether the Christian God is real or not, based on having no evidence for either, what position do you take on adultery?

An atheist has to perform everytime a female gives him the green light surely? It would be a cast iron law of evolution I think. Only a misogynistic atheist could think otherwise. He can't be backing off because he's scared of the husband finding out.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

SpadeMaster, rather than explaining “agnosticism” I would prefer to give my personal feelings regarding “the existence of gods” and “life after death.” I prefer to leave the "labeling" for some possible future moment. I think this might help promote this discussion…and I hope it will eliminate the “promotion of agnosticism” objection that comes up often. It also will eliminate the need to discuss differences between agnosticism and atheism.

As regards “the existence of gods” and “life after death”…my personal position is that I do not know…and have no reasonable evidence upon which to base a guess that "there are gods or there are no gods"…or that "there is life after death or that there is nothing after death."

Either side of both those issues seem to be possible…or at least, I see nothing to indicate the existence of gods is an impossibility; I see nothing that indicates gods are necessary to explain existence; I see nothing to indicate that "life after death" is necessary to explain anything; and I see nothing to indicate that "life after death" is an impossibility.

The truth is: There is no logical reason to assume (guess or believe) there are gods; no logical reason to assume (guess or believe) there are no gods; no logical reason to assume (guess or believe) there is “life after death”; and no logical reason to assume (guess or believe) that “life after death” does not exist. (I understand and acknowledge that intelligent, reasonable people--theists and atheists--often think otherwise on these points, but that can be part of the discussion.)

I see absolutely no reason to suppose that, considering all the aforementioned, the default position I should take is “There are gods (or there is a GOD)” and there is life after death”…or “There are no gods and there is nothing after death.”

Take your time about responding…ask what questions you will.

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@Krumple,

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Good job, so why are you discussing it with me then?

For the reason you gave earlier. To sow a seed for you. Show you that circular arguments mean nothing so that you won't make a fool of yourself in intelligent company. Doing you a favour. And anybody else who picks up the drift.

You took for granted that your reality is the only reality and it isn't. The whole point of these debates, or any sort of conversation, is to experience other realities. Everybody's reality should be of some interest.

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@Setanta,

Me: You mean just like How with your original post to Frank, you made a comment to Frank about me, about how his glutton was in for a waxing?? (or something like that, not even gonna bother going to find it) When you have no Idea about Frank's interaction with me??

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Added to that, you are nearly incoherent--and certainly are unable to link ideas from one person to another

ROTFLMFAO!!!! Setanta, Are you mad at me for saying waxing in their??? Laughing

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@Frank Apisa,

I do like the way you view things and I think that it is a good way of viewing things. "To a degree"

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As regards “the existence of gods” and “life after death”…my personal position is that I do not know…and have no reasonable evidence upon which to base a guess that "there are gods or there are no gods"…or that "there is life after death or that there is nothing after death."

How about a Devil Do you think that it is possible for there to be a Devil?

Could there possibly be an opposite of a God? Some anti God or some supreme being, one that goes around destroying everything that a creator creates.

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@reasoning logic,

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I do like the way you view things and I think that it is a good way of viewing things. "To a degree"

Thanks, RL. "To a degree" is just fine with me. Very Happy

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How about a Devil Do you think that it is possible for there to be a Devil? Could there possibly be an opposite of a God? Some anti God or some supreme being, one that goes around destroying everything that a creator creates.

It certainly is not impossible...and that is the operative thought with me. The notion of a god who manufactures an opponent to itself to create evil...seems the most obvious kind of human invention to explain away evil, sickness, and inequalities. It seem contrived...and inordinately convenient for people who assert gods, to have such a creature

But once again, it is something I cannot rule out...and most assuredly will not rule in.

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@Frank Apisa,

What about tasmanian devils?

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@Frank Apisa,

I think that naturally people seen an opposite for everything. I personally do not know how life as we know it could exist without opposites. Without hot and cold how could you have everything in between? Good and Bad similar way.

We have to have evil "cruelty" in order to know kindness.

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@reasoning logic,

True! Everything humans do is "natural." It's just that we define most things humans are capable of doing, and label them good and evil.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You took for granted that your reality is the only reality and it isn't. The whole point of these debates, or any sort of conversation, is to experience other realities. Everybody's reality should be of some interest.

That is where you are wrong. There is only one reality, there isn't my reality and your reality. Both can not be right. It is a new age concept that is completely nonsensical. Reality doesn't bend to how you want it to be. There is a fundamental truth and weather or not you accept it doesn't change it. Drag your feet all you want and try to claim your reality to be valid because you want it to be. Doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no supporting evidence for a god or gods to exist.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Now explain to me, why I should believe that Atheism is the right path??

I'm sure the atheists participating have their own response to that, SpadeMaster, but my response would be...atheism is not the "right path."

Agnosticism is what I would recommend. And I wouldn't recommend that you "believe" it...I would simply recommend that you acknowledge it. Of course, if you do, I would then recommend that you go further and shape your agnosticism closer to the way I have shaped mine.

If you would like to discuss that, we could. We could also discuss the concept without the use of the word "agnosticism" at all.

The problem here is that agnosticism and atheism are two different things. You can't just change a definition and expect everyone else to adopt your definition.

Agnosticism is about knowledge.

Atheism is about belief.

Two different things entirely. Everyone, absolutely EVERYONE is agnostic. There is not a single person left out of this. Why? Because absolutely NO ONE has knowledge that a god exists. Therefore by the very definition everyone is agnostic, weather they want to admit it or not, they are.

Now with atheism. Do you be believe a god exists? The answer to that question will determine if you are an atheist (non believer) or theist (believer).

There is NOT this middle ground between being a theist and an atheist called agnostic. If you think that way then you are getting the definition wrong.

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@Krumple,

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absolutely NO ONE has knowledge that a god exists.

I see you have not met XXSpadeMasterXX, just kidding.

I do think you have it correct.

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@Krumple,

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Two different things entirely. Everyone, absolutely EVERYONE is agnostic. There is not a single person left out of this. Why? Because absolutely NO ONE has knowledge that a god exists. Therefore by the very definition everyone is agnostic, weather they want to admit it or not, they are.

Rubbish, some atheists are convinced this is all there is, others are equally convinced that is not the case. You can argue that logically the only realistic viewpoint one can come to is agnosticism, but that's not how it plays out in the real world.

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@izzythepush,

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You can argue that logically the only realistic viewpoint one can come to is agnosticism, but that's not how it plays out in the real world.

I see you still have not asked farmerman to help you with "facts", Maybe Krumple will help out.

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@reasoning logic,

I don't need anyone to point out the flaming obvious.

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@izzythepush,

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I don't need anyone to point out the flaming obvious.

Not trying to make fun of you nor XXSpadeMasterXX but is this something you learned from him?

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