@Krumple,
Quote:The irony is heavy here. Funny how you are trying to invent this position that doesn't exist. It goes to show that theists really don't want to live in reality, they insist on inventing things that are contrary to reality. It is impossible to hold a position in between belief and lacking belief. It can not exist. There is no such thing has half belief.
The funny thing is you say all that, then ruin it at the end by stating that an agnostic is a half belief...Which is not the mentality they have, So I think you should respect it...Since you do not fully understand your own, and do not respect theists...this is a case of where it is better to listen than to talk...
Quote:The fact that you can't figure this out shows your mentality. You are a like a little kid who simply can not accept the fact that santa is not real. You do everything in your imagination to try and make it real despite all the information to the contrary.
Not true at all, in any way!! You can not even begin to understand what I have seen and experienced that destroys imagination...and trying to make it real despite information to the contrary...Do you mean like asking me about healing masses? then saying something stupid like, Live with your dam ear infection, feed the starving children??
Quote:Your attempt to define a person who is unaware of a gods existence with a person who "is" ( I have to use is very lightly here because no one actually holds this position you are trying to describe) aware of a gods existence yet does nothing with it.
Who says I do nothing with it?? Do you even know what I have, have not done??
Quote:Nothing more than fantasy land.
bullshit! It is nothing more than fantasy land, to ask a question about prayers, than a Christian gives you an example...and you suit it up for your tastes by saying some kind of asinine remark like live with you dam ear infection, feed the hungry, as though we could not pick up on the fact that what I was in fact saying, causes problems with you doubts...Not only that but you profess how God is unwilling to prove himself, then when one explains something that is extremely not the norm, you try to discredit it for your tastes, and act like you did not feel the conscience speaking to you, saying there may be truth to this after all!! not only that, But you said it in a way that implies that yo know what it better or best over a God does, when you claimed you would have to be convinced in an undeniably way...Which is exactly what happened, or you would not have felt "compelled" to say live with your dam ear infection, feed the hungry...Can you see why maybe a God is delaying time for us??
Quote:I know what you are attempting to say but you are going about it all wrong. Let me try to change the subject of the discussion to something that parallels the same line of thinking.
Do whatever you feel is going to work, I am still gonna answer from a person of faith...
Quote:I don't believe in gremlins. Could gremlins be real and exist? Sure, but I still don't believe they exist. I have nothing to base their existence on to believe that they are real. The same is true for a god, yet you can't see this case as being exactly the same. You insist on a special case yet there is just as much evidence to prove the existence of gremlins as there is to prove the existence of a god. Which is to say, absolutely none.
Wrong, you "think" there is absolutely none! But your reply earlier (read above) tells me that your not being 100% truthful!! Things fall under a All of nothing, or 50/50 split, or anywhere in between...
When your gremlins provide miracles, and a stigmata or something like it, I will admit there is just as much evidence to support both of them!!
Quote:Do I think that a god could exist? Sure, but I have no reason to think that one does. If it does, it would know what would convince me. The fact that it does not provide me with that information means something. Either it does not care/want/need to provide that information or it does not exist in the first place so there is no god there to provide the information.
You and so many other atheists say this/ or these kind of things, but as soon as some kind of "unexplained compulsions" kick in, and your conscience speaks directly to you...You feel the need to try to run and hide from it, as if that can fool a God, and change/alter the outcome if he is real...
Quote:If you don't believe a god exists. Then you are an atheist.
I agree!
Quote:If you believe a god does exists. Then you are a theist.
I agree!
Quote:There is no in between. Any attempt to try and state that there is, only shows your lack of understanding of reality.
Wrong Indeed! If you cant disprove me, and I can not disprove you, why would it be impossible to be a middle ground on this matter??
To assert there's not because it does not seem to be acceptable to you, when you are not even of that kind of belief/lack of belief, shows that your the one who is trying to suit things to your taste or out of touch with reality, and living in a fantasy land....And further it says basically to me, that the only acceptable way to you, and people who have this mentality, that the only such possible outcome is that of Atheism...But once again you do not take the time in all of this post, or any rebuttals whatsoever, to show others, theists and agnostics alike, what it is we are to be buying into, and what comes with a atheistic society...=bullshit!
