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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
mesquite
 
  1  
Fri 28 Oct, 2005 05:28 pm
Intrepid wrote:
If everything IS true, I can understand the frustration and fear. I still cannot, however, understand blaming all Christians for what one political party stands for.


If you see me blaming all Christians for the Republican party, please feel free to speak up. If you see me advocating law changes to regulate your belief, speak up.
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Intrepid
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 05:34 pm
mesquite wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
If everything IS true, I can understand the frustration and fear. I still cannot, however, understand blaming all Christians for what one political party stands for.


If you see me blaming all Christians for the Republican party, please feel free to speak up. If you see me advocating law changes to regulate your belief, speak up.


I was not referring to you specifically Mesquite. I should have made that clearer in the post. This could be directed to C.I., however as he has made this clear on many occassions.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 05:39 pm
BBB Wrote:

Quote:
What is the source of the quote?


It was just a statement I made. I wasn't quoting anyone.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:16 pm
Most people who criticise Republicans and Christianity in one indictment are referring to fundamentalism. This has been said time and again on dozens of threads. There are lots of Christians who support Democratic causes (probably the same percentage).
I personally have little respect for Christianity, but I know and have known lots of these people who are the salt of the Earth. We coexist by not challenging each other, by not trying to force our ways on the others.
It is only if these same friends would actively seek to remove science from the classroom, or turn our world into a theocracy that I would break with them.
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real life
 
  1  
Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:53 pm
mesquite wrote:
The problem is when one group asserts their power to force others to do it their way.


Mesquite,

That is the nature of politics. If the Democrats have a majority of seats in a Legislature ( of a State ) or the US Congress, then they vote for the bills that they want, do they not? Of course.

The reverse is true also.

You sound like a Democrat because you are unhappy with the present circumstance , i.e. the Republicans hold the Congress and the Presidency at the present time.

As an Independent, I can tell you, there are plenty of things about the Republicans that I disagree with. I can also say the same thing about the Democrats.

If you want to continue to fume and fuss about your party's inability to win the last election (and thus their lack of success in advancing their agenda in the Congress ) , then go ahead and raise your blood pressure, my friend.

But pretending that those who win elections should not have the authority to act on the platform that they ran on.......... well, most of us like our form of government, and probably won't be too motivated to change it for your pleasure.

Guess you'll just have to convince your party to propose some solutions to today's issues. Their status quo doesn't seem to be working too well on election day.
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snood
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 09:39 pm
edgar,
I honestly see the fight you mentioned as not trying to exclude science, but trying to include ID.


...just for the record.
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mesquite
 
  1  
Fri 28 Oct, 2005 09:48 pm
Real, I am an independent that has generally voted for Republican presidential candidates up until Bush I's second term.

Neither party has a lock on perfection. Generally when either party has full control, things go downhill.

This current administration just happens to be the most corrupt and incompetent in matters of extreme importance of any administration I can remember.
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mesquite
 
  1  
Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:09 pm
ebrown_p pretty much summed up my feelings with this post.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1417027#1417027

ebrown_p wrote:
I am very angry at Chistians.

This is not not because they use "faith" to inform their politics or their morality. I have a respect for the Jesus in the Bible and brave people in history who used the Christian faith for good.

I am angry at American Christians because they hold beliefs and policies that directly contradict the teachings of Christ. They use the Bible as a smokescreen for a repressive brand of politics.

What most Americans call "Christianity" today really stem from the Confederate social religion. This is why much of it is based on judgement, nationalism and policies to keep class differences. If you don't believe this, compare your religious positions with that of the KKK.

Most American Christians, while denouncing the KKK agree with them on most all issues. For the record if you oppose the UN, think the US is a Christian nation, oppose gun control because guns are a good way to stop crime, think homosexuals shouldn't have rights even in a democratic society, support capital punishment and are against any rights for undocmented immigrants I am talking about you.

Jesus cared about the poor, blessed peacemakers, taught forgiveness and compassion, stopped capital punishment and turned the other cheek.

The people running the joke called Christianity today accuse the poor of being welfare leeches, call for harsh sentences and imprisonment, champion capital punishment.

I think you can be a true Christian in a free democracy living under and respecting the Constition.

But I will say this very plainly-- Nationalism and Christianity don't mix. Jesus was very clear about that his Kingdom was in heaven. The current ideaology that most Americans call Christianity is a nationalistic call to a return to Confederate America... nothing less.

It angers me that people use the name "Christianity" to advance this regressive political agenda.

My anger (and I think the anger being expressed by others on this thread) is that American "Christianity" is having an big effect on our political climate. If this is a very small group... it is having a big effect and the remaining large group is decidedly silent.

This is a democracy and I accept the right of people I despise to exercise their voice in our society and our government. I will not complain about the political process or the right of even a president to express his religious beliefs (as misguided and wrong as their are)

However conversely I have the right to be very angry at the fact the political ideaology called "Christianity" is hurting the poor, stopping civil rights, providing cover for our misdeeds in Guantanamo and supporting and prolonging an injust war.

There is a lot of deep-seated anger against Christianity now that is fully justified. You are hearing some of it here.

I believe a backlash against evangelical Christianity (perhaps we can label it extremism or something) will continue to grow.

This anger and the resulting backlash is a valid part of the political process... and I hope it grows quickly... unless of course some part of the large group of Christians who you say don't support the politics of the far right find a voice. I am not hearing it-- and I am listening.
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ossobuco
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:14 pm
Thank you very much for that link.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:21 pm
Yep, proving my point again. No matter who or how many times we try to show that all Christians are not like this, this is what is thrown in our faces over, and over, and over, and over again.

IMO, the poster of this, and others are not listening and will not listen until those they feel they are talking about agree with them.

I like how we are told the things we agree with, such as capital punishment, etc. No one has asked me what I think about it. No one has asked me how I feel about gun control either. Have any of you asked every Christian about these things?
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:25 pm
Making the same mistake, saying all atheists think the same thing, make the same accusations.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:26 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Making the same mistake, saying all atheists think the same thing, make the same accusations.

Which is why I said the poster of that and others. I did not say all, nor did I mean all, nor did I imply all.
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:05 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Yep, proving my point again. No matter who or how many times we try to show that all Christians are not like this, this is what is thrown in our faces over, and over, and over, and over again.

IMO, the poster of this, and others are not listening and will not listen until those they feel they are talking about agree with them.

I like how we are told the things we agree with, such as capital punishment, etc. No one has asked me what I think about it. No one has asked me how I feel about gun control either. Have any of you asked every Christian about these things?


Feel free to agree or disagree with any of the points made. ebrown_p was quite specific about the issues that are causing the dissent. If those are not your positions, then it was not directed to you.

"Most American Christians, while denouncing the KKK agree with them on most all issues. For the record if you oppose the UN, think the US is a Christian nation, oppose gun control because guns are a good way to stop crime, think homosexuals shouldn't have rights even in a democratic society, support capital punishment and are against any rights for undocmented immigrants I am talking about you. "
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:08 pm
That is why I said what I said. This poster and some others.
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:21 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
BTW Mesquite, where in Az?


Sorry, I missed this. Tucson
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:23 pm
Was just wondering. I have a dear friend in Apache Junction.
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real life
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2005 07:33 am
mesquite wrote:
ebrown_p pretty much summed up my feelings with this post.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1417027#1417027

ebrown_p wrote:
I am very angry at Chistians.

This is not not because they use "faith" to inform their politics or their morality. I have a respect for the Jesus in the Bible and brave people in history who used the Christian faith for good.

I am angry at American Christians because they hold beliefs and policies that directly contradict the teachings of Christ. They use the Bible as a smokescreen for a repressive brand of politics.

What most Americans call "Christianity" today really stem from the Confederate social religion. This is why much of it is based on judgement, nationalism and policies to keep class differences. If you don't believe this, compare your religious positions with that of the KKK.

Most American Christians, while denouncing the KKK agree with them on most all issues. For the record if you oppose the UN, think the US is a Christian nation, oppose gun control because guns are a good way to stop crime, think homosexuals shouldn't have rights even in a democratic society, support capital punishment and are against any rights for undocmented immigrants I am talking about you.

Jesus cared about the poor, blessed peacemakers, taught forgiveness and compassion, stopped capital punishment and turned the other cheek.

The people running the joke called Christianity today accuse the poor of being welfare leeches, call for harsh sentences and imprisonment, champion capital punishment.

I think you can be a true Christian in a free democracy living under and respecting the Constition.

But I will say this very plainly-- Nationalism and Christianity don't mix. Jesus was very clear about that his Kingdom was in heaven. The current ideaology that most Americans call Christianity is a nationalistic call to a return to Confederate America... nothing less.

It angers me that people use the name "Christianity" to advance this regressive political agenda.

My anger (and I think the anger being expressed by others on this thread) is that American "Christianity" is having an big effect on our political climate. If this is a very small group... it is having a big effect and the remaining large group is decidedly silent.

This is a democracy and I accept the right of people I despise to exercise their voice in our society and our government. I will not complain about the political process or the right of even a president to express his religious beliefs (as misguided and wrong as their are)

However conversely I have the right to be very angry at the fact the political ideaology called "Christianity" is hurting the poor, stopping civil rights, providing cover for our misdeeds in Guantanamo and supporting and prolonging an injust war.

There is a lot of deep-seated anger against Christianity now that is fully justified. You are hearing some of it here.

I believe a backlash against evangelical Christianity (perhaps we can label it extremism or something) will continue to grow.

This anger and the resulting backlash is a valid part of the political process... and I hope it grows quickly... unless of course some part of the large group of Christians who you say don't support the politics of the far right find a voice. I am not hearing it-- and I am listening.


Yes I have discussed this line of thinking with ebrown previously.

He seems to be upset because of a perception on his part that Christians in America do NOT have political goals which (in his opinion) reflect the teachings of Christ.

My question on this has always been, " OK if these Christians changed their political goals to work toward things which (you claim that) Christ advocated, then would you not accuse them of violating the 'wall of separation between church and state'? "

Of course they would. In fact, that used to be the chief complaint about Christians involved in politics until the complainers realized that they were not detering many from taking part. So now they aim a little lower below the belt and try to suggest that these religious folks are hypocrites and that ebrown & Co know better than the Christians themselves what Christians REALLY should be all about.

So the simple fact is that Christians can NOT win the approval of ebrown and others of like mind by anything short of not voting and staying out of politics altogether.

This of course would be a completely unacceptable option as far as American Christians are concerned.
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Setanta
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2005 07:38 am
This goofy thread title wrote:
Atheists... Your life is pointless


That being the case, there's no reason to respond.
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farmerman
 
  1  
Sat 29 Oct, 2005 07:44 am
dont go there, your sledge hammer sublety will be missed . See this, instead, as humor.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2005 08:55 am
Setanta
Setanta wrote:
This goofy thread title wrote:
Atheists... Your life is pointless


That being the case, there's no reason to respond.


Hey, Set, we've missed you! Where've you been? Glad you got your sorry arse back with us.

BBB
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