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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:27 pm
farmerman,

I believe everyone's life has meaning. No one's life is pointless. No one's!
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:30 pm
Farmerman
farmerman wrote:
so do you think my life has meaning?


I'm still working on trying to understand the meaning of your life, Farmerman. Can I have a few more minutes to work on it?

BBB :wink:
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farmerman
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:31 pm
whew, now I can sleep in and get some donuts on Sunday. Hell, even if I start at 8AM, it takes all day to read the Times
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:36 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

That's a pretty harsh statement, isn't it? Again, judging all Christians by some?

It wasn't a statement. It was a question about one individual, generated in response to this post. What gives you the impression I was judging all Christians?
real life wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
An atheist's life has as much point as anybody else. Only difference, in general, it interferes with others' lives, on average, less than other lives do.
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Tell that to the folks who lived under the boot of the atheist utopia in the former Soviet Union and it's "voluntarily associated" Communist client states of Eastern Europe, or who now live in Communist China, another atheist totalitarian state.

Thanks for the laugh, EB. You should try Comedy Central.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:42 pm
Mesquite Wrote:

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Edgar ,
Do you suppose that real would be much more at home living under the thumb of a fundamentalist theocratic regime such as the Taliban (only a Christian version) with their forced adherence to morals via the religious police?


Mesquite, you seem to be correlating the Taliban with Christianity here. If you would pose this to Real Life, you might as well pose it to me also. My beliefs are well in line with Real Life's and Intrepids, and Foxfyre's, etc.

If I am misunderstanding what you stated, please, can you explain it differently?
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:05 pm
MA,
Real had associated a brutal authoritarian government with atheism. I made a corresponding relationship to a brutal authoritarian government which was a FUNDAMENTALIST THEOCRACY. (keywords capitalized for emphasis)

If you think that a Christian fundamentalist theocracy would be any better than the Taliban, then you should study some world history.
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JPB
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:05 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite Wrote:

Quote:
Edgar ,
Do you suppose that real would be much more at home living under the thumb of a fundamentalist theocratic regime such as the Taliban (only a Christian version) with their forced adherence to morals via the religious police?


Mesquite, you seem to be correlating the Taliban with Christianity here. If you would pose this to Real Life, you might as well pose it to me also. My beliefs are well in line with Real Life's and Intrepids, and Foxfyre's, etc.

If I am misunderstanding what you stated, please, can you explain it differently?


I'll let Mesquite answer for himself, Mamma, but I have a great fear of the current administration being the puppet of our ultra-conservative Christian right wing. The American Taliban is, unfortunately, not that far-fetched.
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:07 pm
J_B gets it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:08 pm
You just keep proving my point. There are so many that haven't the foggiest idea of what Christianity is about. None whatsoever. Even when given the truth of what Christianity is, it is ignored.
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real life
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:16 pm
mesquite wrote:
MA,
Real had associated a brutal authoritarian government with atheism. I made a corresponding relationship to a brutal authoritarian government which was a FUNDAMENTALIST THEOCRACY. (keywords capitalized for emphasis)

If you think that a Christian fundamentalist theocracy would be any better than the Taliban, then you should study some world history.


When a group of folks among whom the Christian worldview was predominate had a chance to build a country or two, they built the USA and the democracies of Europe.

When a group of folks among whom the Muslim worldview was predominate had a chance to build a country or two, they built Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.

I suppose most folks can tell the difference. Apparently you can't.

Again just as a reminder, when a group of folks among whom the atheist worldview was predominate had a chance to build a country or two, they built the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

Deal with it, Mesquite. That's the world we live in, not the imaginary utopia that you think is or should be.
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JPB
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:18 pm
But you must see, Mamma, that all professed Christians do not see Christianity in the same light.

The concept of the American Taliban, where democracy is replace by a singular view of fundamentalist Christianity, where the three branches of our government are controlled by one view, even though that view does not adequately or accurately reflect Christianity in the full sense, to say nothing of representing other outlooks, is eerily similar to the ultra-conservative leanings of a small group of fanatical muslims who were able to take power in Afghanistan.

We should not be governed by the religious leanings of any one group.
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:21 pm
The group of folks that set up the US government made certain that religion was not a part of it. You deal with that.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:22 pm
J_B wrote:
But you must see, Mamma, that all professed Christians do not see Christianity in the same light.

The concept of the American Taliban, where democracy is replace by a singular view of fundamentalist Christianity, where the three branches of our government are controlled by one view, even though that view does not adequately or accurately reflect Christianity in the full sense, to say nothing of representing other outlooks, is eerily similar to the ultra-conservative leanings of a small group of fanatical muslims who were able to take power in Afghanistan.

We should not be governed by the religious leanings of any one group.

J_B,

Of course I see that. I DEFINITELY SEE THAT! (Caps for emphasis only). What I am saying is, it seems to be the general consensus of those that do not believe, that Christians are all alike.

When a difference is pointed out, it is generally met with another reference as to how they are all the same.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:25 pm
Mesquite Wrote:

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The group of folks that set up the US government made certain that religion was not a part of it. You deal with that.


Does this mean you think Christians should not hold public office? How can you expect a Christian to not vote their conscience just as anyone should/would?

BTW Mesquite, where in Az?
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:28 pm
MA,
do you deliberately read past my use of THEOCRACY to meet some need to feel persecuted?
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JPB
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:31 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite Wrote:

Quote:
The group of folks that set up the US government made certain that religion was not a part of it. You deal with that.


Does this mean you think Christians should not hold public office? How can you expect a Christian to not vote their conscience just as anyone should/would?

BTW Mesquite, where in Az?


Of course Christians should hold public office. I don't know of any non-Christian presidents. There have been a few Jewish Senators and probably a sprinkling of atheists and agnostics that we've never heard much about, but we're already governed by Christians. It's the ultra right wing, Pat Robertson type Christians that scare me. Separation of church and state doesn't mean that our leaders need to be nonreligious, but it DOES mean that their religion should not determine their actions when it comes to decisions as it affects the government.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:33 pm
mesquite wrote:
MA,
do you deliberately read past my use of THEOCRACY to meet some need to feel persecuted?

Mesquite,

No! You totally misunderstand me. I was just asking you a question. The question just came to mind and I asked you. Actually, I don't feel persecuted at all. Why? Am I missing something?http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/biggrinsmiley.gif
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Intrepid
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:33 pm
Perhaps that is out of fear. Don't get me wrong, let me finish :-)

The fear that since there are so many Christians that they have the numbers and power to take over as some have mentioned. True, there are some radical groups that are so far removed from what many of us Christians believe that perhaps there is some validity to the concerns.

I think what Momma and others refer to is that every time there is some discussion regarding Christianity, some but not all, peg us all as the same. The same as what I don't know, but they think we are all cast in the same mold. Being that we all profess to be Christians, perhaps this should be true. However, it is not. Not all Christians have the same view of faith, God and the bible. Just as all scientists do not have the same view of the earth and the stars.

Some of us tend to get a bit defensive when we think our beliefs are being threatened. This goes for Christians and non-Christians alike. I have stated elsewhere that I do not see the same fears in Canada as are apparent in the U.S. I don't know if this is because we are more tolerant or if we are so diversivied and multi-cultural that we see things differently.

I belief that we should have the right to our beliefs, but I also think that religion should not be part of politics. We should support our governments as best we can and hope that they make the decisions that are best for our countries without infringing on our religious beliefs.

That is my 2ø CDN which is worth somewhat less than 2ø American.

Peace
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:38 pm
J_B Wrote:

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Of course Christians should hold public office. I don't know of any non-Christian presidents. There have been a few Jewish Senators and probably a sprinkling of atheists and agnostics that we've never heard much about, but we're already governed by Christians. It's the ultra right wing, Pat Robertson type Christians that scare me. Separation of church and state doesn't mean that our leaders need to be nonreligious, but it DOES mean that their religion should not determine their actions when it comes to decisions as it affects the government.


Thank you, J_B. I am glad you understood it was just a question. I don't believe as Pat Robertson does.

But my question is, how can a Christian or non-Christian vote their conscience without taking into consideration their religious beliefs/spiritual beliefs, non-beliefs, etc., since IMO those beliefs are IMO number one in our lives?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 02:41 pm
mesquite
mesquite wrote:
MA,
do you deliberately read past my use of THEOCRACY to meet some need to feel persecuted?


You will find that some posters seem to have a compulsive need to turn every thread and every response into being about them. Such egos are remarkable.

BBB
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