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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:04 am
Intrepid wrote:
There are those who would want that it be unlawful for people to have Christian beliefs.


I think that except for the lunatic fringe, there are few people who would deny another the right to worship as they please. I think that the problem is that there is some backlash in the US against the perception that Christians are attempting to make law, that would affect Christians and non-Christians alike, that is consonant with Christian beliefs.

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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:05 am
I have never met a person who wants it to be unlawful to have Christian beliefs. I wish someone could name a few.
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Intrepid
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:07 am
This must be somewhat unique to the U.S. We do not have such situations with laws in Canada. Perhaps that is why I do not fully understand the passion on both sides in the U.S.
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Thomas
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:24 am
Re: Atheists... Your life is pointless
Intrepid wrote:
I agree with you. If I implied that there is a difference, I apologize for the confusion. However, I think it is worse if the do believe in God and still have no concience.

No apology necessary, but could you explain why you think it's worse? If someone cannot sense intuitively that it is wrong to kill, betray, cheat on his spouse, and covet other people's stuff -- why do you expect that the story about the burning bush and the ten commandments help him develop such a sense? I suppose you expect that since you think it's worse if someone believes in god and still has no conscience. But why?
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Einherjar
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:55 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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There's just the whole controversy of whether people should be allowed to believe in Nazism.


Although I despise the entire concept of Nazism, I don't think that there is a question as to whether people should be "allowed" to believe in it. No matter how heinous, people have the right to believe in anything that they want. The issue is whether it is lawful to act upon those beliefs.


Seconded.
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Intrepid
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 07:08 am
Re: Atheists... Your life is pointless
Thomas wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
I agree with you. If I implied that there is a difference, I apologize for the confusion. However, I think it is worse if the do believe in God and still have no concience.

No apology necessary, but could you explain why you think it's worse? If someone cannot sense intuitively that it is wrong to kill, betray, cheat on his spouse, and covet other people's stuff -- why do you expect that the story about the burning bush and the ten commandments help him develop such a sense? I suppose you expect that since you think it's worse if someone believes in god and still has no conscience. But why?


Because a true faith and believe in God means that you want to do everything that is pleasing to God. The things of which you speak are considered sins by God and are not pleasing to Him. Someone who would profess to be a true believer and then go against his faith is going against more than his own concience. IMO, that is worse than someone who does not believe doing the same thing.
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real life
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:10 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
There are those who would want that it be unlawful for people to have Christian beliefs.


I think that except for the lunatic fringe, there are few people who would deny another the right to worship as they please. I think that the problem is that there is some backlash in the US against the perception that Christians are attempting to make law, that would affect Christians and non-Christians alike, that is consonant with Christian beliefs.



Every law is based on someone's idea of what is right and what is wrong.

Are you saying that the only laws that should be allowed are those that find no reflection in any religious belief?
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John Creasy
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:22 am
Einherjar wrote:
I've not been around much lately, but I still want to respond to this:

John Creasy wrote:
Einherjar wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
Even if there is brain activity, but the person is clinically dead, there is NO way they could have seen something that happened around them. You cannot explain this away.


If clinically dead is defined as having no heartbeat it doesn't take any explaining, brainfunctioning could go on for a while still on already present oxygen. No reason for brainfunctioning to immediately cease.


I was talking about a person being clinically dead, and then being revived and describing something that happened in the room that they couldn't have possibly seen physically. It's called an out-of-body experience. This cannot be explained by science.


There is nothing to explain, one doesn't need a heartbeat (clinical life) in order to see and remember, one just needs functioning eyes, functioning optical nerves, and a partially functioning brain. A person could have all of those, and still be unconscious and clinically dead.

You failed to catch the gist of my post, which was that we know that consciousness at least relies heavily on the brain. Isn't it then something of a wild proposition that it can function just the same without it?


If a person is dead or even unconscious, it kinda goes without saying that their eyes are closed!!!! How can they see anything??
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real life
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:22 am
edgarblythe wrote:
An atheist's life has as much point as anybody else. Only difference, in general, it interferes with others' lives, on average, less than other lives do.
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Tell that to the folks who lived under the boot of the atheist utopia in the former Soviet Union and it's "voluntarily associated" Communist client states of Eastern Europe, or who now live in Communist China, another atheist totalitarian state.

Thanks for the laugh, EB. You should try Comedy Central.
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Piffka
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 08:57 am
God, this is an offensive thread.
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John Creasy
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:16 am
Piffka wrote:
God, this is an offensive thread.


Thanks for your input.
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dyslexia
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:17 am
Offense sells tickets.
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real life
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:27 am
Piffka wrote:
God, this is an offensive thread.


This comment was brought to you by the one who stated in another thread:

Piffka wrote:
More so than any Muslim fundamentalists, the ID people are the real enemies of this country.


Rolling Eyes
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:54 am
Real life
I never met anybody from the Soviet Union. The soviet leaders were not your normal people anyway. I have never met a person in the USA that tried to make religion illegal. You know it and I know it.
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mesquite
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 12:24 pm
Edgar ,
Do you suppose that real would be much more at home living under the thumb of a fundamentalist theocratic regime such as the Taliban (only a Christian version) with their forced adherence to morals via the religious police?
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Piffka
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 12:53 pm
real life wrote:
Piffka wrote:
God, this is an offensive thread.


This comment was brought to you by the one who stated in another thread:

Piffka wrote:
More so than any Muslim fundamentalists, the ID people are the real enemies of this country.


Rolling Eyes


You bet, Get-A-Life, and I stand by that statement. Roll your eyes all you want.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:00 pm
Mesquite,

That's a pretty harsh statement, isn't it? Again, judging all Christians by some?
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dyslexia
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:02 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

That's a pretty harsh statement, isn't it? Again, judging all Christians by some?

what goes around, comes around.
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Arella Mae
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:05 pm
The Christianity I live does not strap bombs to themselves and blow up others. The Christianity I live does not fly airplanes into buildings killing thousands in the name of God.

The Christianity I live is a life of love and living my life as close to Jesus as I can.

The Christianity I live does not condemn. I don't believe all agnostics, atheists, etc., are all alike. No one is all alike. We are each unique. No one feels and believes exactly as another.
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farmerman
 
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Fri 28 Oct, 2005 01:25 pm
so do you think my life has meaning?
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