Atheists... Your life is pointless

What reason does god give to live except to go to heaven and live happily and pointlessly in heaven.

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@Intrepid,

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Could you repeat that in English please?

Sure why the "hell" not!!!!

The god of the bible is a monster and evil god by every moral standards of humankind or are you going to challenge that statement my silly friend?

His idea of a moral man is one willing to send out his two virgin daughters to be raped and kill by a mob just to start with.

He enters into a silly bet with the devil and as a result destroys one of his most loyal follower whole family on a whim.

Order his people to go into other peoples lands and wipe them out for the sin of happening to live there first to the last man woman and child except for the virgin young girls.

Now my point is , “god is willing” this time you can understand, is if such a god did run this universe in fact it would be far far worst then having no god at all running the show and he would not be adding any reason to exist to anyone.

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@BillRM,

Gee Bill-- virgins, two of them, rape, murder, devils, then the virgins again.

You seem to know the Bible in a very narrowly focussed way.

And applying our standards of taste and etiquette to a bronze age culture for the purpose of discrediting Christianity, so that its disciplines might be more easily relaxed, is patently ridiculous.

And it is presumptuous of you to make disparaging remarks about the God of other cultures at other times and enduring in radically other circumstances than we are in. What other sort of God could there have been?

A very modern feminist believes, or announced that she did, that all our virgins are put out to be raped. But that's a complicated issue so I'll not go into details to spare your blushes.

I'll admit that the few fundamentalists who remain today, who adhere too strictly to the God of those olden days, present a very wide and short range target for your thunderbolts but filling them full of holes does not go near to discrediting religion. So far off it is of doing so that it verges on the pointless. As an argument I mean. It might have a point in other ways.

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@spendius,

And applying our standards of taste and etiquette to a bronze age culture for

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the purpose of discrediting Christianity, so that its disciplines might be more easily relaxed, is patently ridiculous.

And it is presumptuous of you to make disparaging remarks about the God of other cultures at other times and enduring in radically other circumstances than we are in. What other sort of God could there have been?

Sorry this is not our standards or the standards of the 2000 years ago culture of the mid-east as if you are a believer this is the standards of the god you wish us to worship. Every word of the bible are his holy word to us.

Second if there is a god logic would indicate he would not have the very worst of human nature as part of him ore her or it makeup.

How indeed is this god of the bible any better then the devil of the bible?

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@Intrepid,

The majesty of trees and the beauty of animals lie not only in the trees and animals, but also in our heads and our perspectives. Our position and constitution ascribes and assigns the majesty and beauty to things of our experience. I'm reminded of the moron who wondered how the astronomers discovered the names of the planets and of the man who climbed majestic Mt. Fuji to discovered that "up close" it was only rocks and weeds.

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@JLNobody,

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The majesty of trees and the beauty of animals lie not only in the trees and animals, but also in our heads and our perspectives.

I would have left out the "not only". There is no majesty or beauty in the animals and trees in themselves. Like there is no pain in the flame we might be burned by.

Such "secondary qualities" are entirely within our own heads. An object is not red. It only looks to us as if it is.

The idea of a majesty or beauty in anything is basically an affectation in materialists practiced for invidious comparisons to be accessed.

Even Darwin spoke in that incoherent fashion. It's all part of that general fudge consisting of being a Darwinist when it suits and not being when it doesn't.

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@JLNobody,

Those who refuse to "get up close" to God will never know the beauty of His love.

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Which is to say, they will never share your delusion.

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@Setanta,

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Which is to say, they will never share your delusion.

Nor I theirs

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Oooooo, what a lucky man . . .
He wa-as . . .

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Although the constitution has been interpreted as setting up a wall between church and state, the church is constantly trying to impose its will on the government. E.g., a group of leading Catholic bishops is demanding that any HC reform include the really stupid and dishonest Stupak Amendment, which would largely prevent private insurance companies from giving women their abortion rights.

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@Advocate,

The Church will have in mind the effective job discrimination nobody notices which excludes people who won't work for insurance companies which deal in such matters for profit from which comes their wages.

And who would mostly be Catholics. Of which, I gather the USA has 76,000,000 and that is an electorally significant number and, as such, are entitled to voice their views when their adherents are being discriminated against.

It is but a step from there to being the nice, smiling receptionist in the abortion clinic if I may be permitted to ensure the point is taken.

So there's a clash of constitutional principles. Or so it seems to me.

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Scientists say that dinosaurs last roamed the earth 46 million years ago. What does that say about the bible, which says that earth is only 10,000 years old?

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@Advocate,

Time is relative

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@Intrepid,

10,000 years is a lot less than 50,000,000 years though. That much is absolute.

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@Intrepid,

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spendius wrote:

It's also illogical for an atheist to say " 'What majestic trees! What beautiful animals!"

That is nonsense. Mother Nature produces majestic and beautiful things without the intervention of some god.

Is Mother Nature like the Tooth Fairy that Bill carries on about?

With all your other faults, I see you are a literalist. God help us!

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@aidan,

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I can see that you are a proud literalist, as many religious people are. It is pretty fruitless to discuss religion with such a person.

You see whatever you want to see - which you did at least in this case.

I didn't mention my religious beliefs with any sort of descriptive emotion or philosophy - much less literalism or pride.

The only statement I made about anything was how free will and personal responsibility seem to play out in a world inhabited by humans- resulting in a lot of your aforementioned starving children and how we could avoid that if we wanted to.

From that you get a religious and proud literalist- whatever.

So on my side, I see an evasive assigner of labels. I think it'd be pretty fruitless to discuss religion with such a person as that. If I were discussing religion. I thought atheism is the lack of religion. And free will is free will. And starving children are starving children. That's what I thought I was discussing - but I guess you know better.

If I referred to you, it was an accident. I was referring to someone else.

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@Thomas,

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10,000 years is a lot less than 50,000,000 years though. That much is absolute.

Depends on the definition of a year, I suppose. I am surprised that people call the ancient people primitive and without knowledge, but they expect definitions of time etc. to fit with their present day knowledge.

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@Advocate,

What faults are they? Are you without fault?

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@Advocate,

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If I referred to you, it was an accident. I was referring to someone else.

I was wondering how I'd come across as a literalist Laughing

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