Atheists... Your life is pointless

Redefining normal and plain meanings of words is silly and normally result in unneeded confusion.

What is it when a young woman is hypnotised by Media into thinking there is something wrong with her if she isn't having sex in order that juicy stories can be arranged in order to sell more flattened out wood pulp with ink inserts in it so that shareholders can enjoy bigger returns?

That's why it's called rape which is a felony.

CI, your response unfortunately answers nothing of your 'free will' line of thought :

Free will to me is the ability to not be mind controlled (therefore the mind is free).

Free willpower is the ability to make decisions with your mind & body without limitations being imposed - which of course would result in anarchy should everyone make it that way.

Freedom - see above. It's debateable how many freedoms we should, or shouldn't have, in order for society to function cohesively.

Going by that line of thought, you can see that Mary being pregnant doesn't change the fact that she can make choices, even if they are more limited - which is why I said you'r answer doesn't answer anything.

I'd disagree on that scenario - you have the choice not to do what they want - they don't mind control you. The consequences of not doing what they want of course, may not be to your liking.

Vikorr, I guess there are at least two aspects to the "problem" of free will (vs. determinism): the POLITICAL (to be or not to be mind/body controlled) and the PHILOSOPHICAL (e.g., Even if you can do as you will, you cannot will as you wil).
Frankly, I see it as a false problem.

I as much as said that the biblical Mary was either raped or at least was unaware she had sexual relations, yet found herself to be pregnant.

As to your last sentence, to what do you refer that would make me seem to be a "sad human being?"

Nasty remark, guy. I don't see where I've even disagreed with you!

Pemerson, My whole-hearted apology; my mistake. I misread your post, and my thoughts were influenced by the other posters who claimed drugging a woman then having sex with them was acceptable, because the woman doesn't remember anything.

They can't accept the simple fact that rape is a felony.

Pemerson, My whole-hearted apology; my mistake. I misread your post, and my thoughts were influenced by the other posters who claimed drugging a woman then having sex with them was acceptable, because the woman doesn't remember anything.

They can't accept the simple fact that rape is a felony.
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And who had claim such a silly idea CI? I had been reading this thread and I do not remember anyone claiming such a silly position that it is OK to rape a woman if she does not remember having been rape.

Thatis the most ingenuous attempt at mixing up the meaning of what ci and others said. You are as thick as a stump if you actually missed ci's point.
DATE RAPE is the phrase, not just rape. Its a definition that is recognized in a forensic sense and is used in courts and in journalism. It doesnt only require that a couple be on a "date" (if there even is such a convention anymore). Id suggest looking in several "urban dictionaries " to follow the use and evolution of words and phrases.

Like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug?
The actual legal term for this recent phenom is "date or Acquaintance Rape". The phrase defies the spcial circumstance in which the Fed law was enacted in the 90's and signed into law by then President Clinton. Before you mount your high horse and call everyone else stupid, perhaps you should be better informed about the ENglih language and how phrases are enfolded into our legal lingo.

The law regarding date /acquaintance rape says nothing about being on a "date", in fact the law defines the spcial drugs that are those of choice for (mostly) men who attempt to get a little sex from an intially unwilling or minimally, an indifferent, partner. The drugs rohypnol, ketamine and alcohol are these drugs manytimes used in combination. One or more of these drugs accounts for 60% of circumstances in which rape is reported.

The act is underreported because usually the socialcircumstances evoke a sense of guilt by the individuals who are raped. (Read "party").
The conditions for date rape are now defined by Federal law so Id suggest that you read up a bit and then maybe youll understand about what CI was talking.

Rape is rape period.

Date rape is a sub set of rape and by it name mean that you are on a date with the person you happen to had rape or at least have some form of a relationship with the victim.

All are rapes and it does not matter if you have a relationship or not or if there is a drug used or not rape is using force, the threat of force or a drug that take the person ability to agree to having sex away.

All rape is not date rape and it does not matter if you had a relationship with the victim ahead of time or not it is a non-issue.

Hell if does not matter if you are married to the person in question in most states now.

In all that where did I state that using a drug making the victim not remember a rape turn it into a non-rape?

You people are idiots.

"You People"? Youre a racist too?

You people is a racial comment?

Lord you can learn all kind of mis-information on this website<LOL>.

They have no choice once the jury has determined a rape took place. Until it does no rape has taken place.

You Darwinists are a hoot.

They have no choice once the jury has determined a rape took place. Until it does no rape has taken place.
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What a strange universe you live in! A rape happen the moment it occur and is a act from that time forward.

Proving it and hopefully punishing the rapist need to wait on a jury and the court system but not the fact that a rape had occur.

OK, ci. I wasn't clear, and was only referring to the biblical story of Mary, Jesus' purported mother. Since she told others she had had no sexual relations with anybody, was still a virgin, she was either rendered unconscious or in an extreme state of sleep while the sex act occurred.

Is this rape, a "miracle" or was an egg and sperm inserted in her womb? Guess we'll never know, but, not being allowed to ask questions about these subjects is no longer acceptable.

!!Of course it is a felony to rape a woman, whether it's by force or rendering the lady unconscious!!! That is another matter.

...or, any of a dozen more likely explanations, such as... the sperm was inserted into her womb in the usual manner, perhaps her husband knew about that, perhaps not, assuming she ever existed at all.

Certainly wouldn't be the first or the last woman in history to lie about being a virgin.

or something...

In one of Ian Pears' books he has the Greeks very upset that the "new religion," (The Catholic as it was being created by early Roman Bishops) was claiming that teachings being attributed to Jesus were the exact same as they, the Greeks, had been teaching for a very long time. According to this writer, in this particular novel based on fact, the Romans wanted to control the world through one religion. They almost did that, didn't they? Can they still?

The Protestants (protesters) didn't exactly rebel against The Church's teachings, but more ,the corruption and wealth.

I think we are each on our own when it comes to just plain old educating yourself. I don't have anything against whatever people need to do to get through their days and nights, keeping sane.

Good post, Pemerson.

I think all churches are showing signs of demise - and the Catholic church's membership has been dropping quite a bit, and they're having difficulty with recruiting new priests. That's the impression I've been observing for several decades now, but there are signs with some church groups like the Mormons are increasing their membership. A whole lot of mixed messages.