Atheists... Your life is pointless

@cicerone imposter,

Sorry, I missed this question - a bit late, but...
This is what I've found to be: Jesus, I think, came here to let us know that he is an example for us, therefore, I only search out and read his teachings which are very simple. Some of the various things said about Jesus (or taught in various Christian churches)are fantasies, fabrications, made up mumbo-jumbo.

The "sacrifice" of Jesus could relate to the importance of his message, that we don't need anyone else to intercede for us - we can make a connection & communicate with God anytime we choose without those "churchy people." When we are ready.

No doubt, the churchy people keep some on the path, and those people probably won't reach any goal. But, I suppose they could.

I have learned much more about these things from reading human history. The Bible is simply bananas.

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@cicerone imposter,

I don't know what God was doing in Mary's sex parts, or if God was actually there at all. Possibly, that's a human construct too.

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@Pemerson,

Can we consider that rape? Mary certainly did not "give herself" to god to conceive "his" baby.

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@cicerone imposter,

Could also be consider incest as the god in the old testament is somewhat of a father figure to the whole human race. Hell in a way he is both the mother and father to the human race.

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@cicerone imposter,

Well, in the Bible's story Mary didn't seem to know how she got pregnant.

Mothers and fathers of humans can also do "whatever they want" to their children. But, you see, we can consider what Jesus said concerning the "loving Father of us all," and learn how to connect with that source within us. I think the Book of Job would be helpful in understanding just how "god" does definitely influence us, and that we must be patient and roll with the punches to get out of this place. No? We catch all kinds of life-threatening diseases on this planet, and most people live through the healing, or death, with elegance.

And, where in the Bible does it state, "Don't ye know ye are Gods?" Can't recall, myself.

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@Pemerson,

There's a disconnect between god's free will and getting Mary pregnant without her consent.

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@cicerone imposter,

That's an interesting supposition because it's not clear cut that god impregnating a woman removes her free will at any stage....or for many, even what free will entails.

You get a cut on your body - is that by free will? (pregnancy being a change to the body)

You go to the toilet - is that by free will? (or your body forcing you to do something)

You eat - is that by free will? (to an extent)

You get a cancer - is that by free will? (this is another change in your body)

Will could be argued to be a thing of the mind - the ability to make decisions (however vast or limited)

It could be argued that people in prison for example, still have free will (but limited and or unpleasant choices).

In some ways it reminds me of the argument over what 'freedom' entails.

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@vikorr,

All animals must relieve themselves after we eat and drink; some people purposely starve themselves, but most often animals want food to eat and water to drink. Otherwise, you starve to death, or die of dehydration. Having sexual relations can be consensual or rape.

Some health issues are beyond our control, and are greatly influenced by our genes and environment. Our lifestyle can also influence our general health.

A cut in our body can be accidental or by choice.

How you perceive free choice goes beyond eating, drinking, going to the toilet, getting cancer, or a cut in our body. There are different levels of any activity we choose to take.

It's about the decisions we make to pursue some goals or to just crap out and do nothing.

Your observation that Mary's pregnancy by god didn't take away her free will at any stage is wrong, and I disagree 100%.

Mary's pregnancy and a prisoner's life is comparing apples and prunes; there's no comparison to be made - except they are both food. Freedom and free will are somewhat related to some degree. If you live on a 2-mile wide island, your choices are limited on what you are "free" to do.

Unless you are guarded by somebody that forces you to do something 24/7, you still have some free will.

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@cicerone imposter,

Today, men place drugs in women's drinks in order to have sex with them. She has no memory of the sex act, but could become pregnant. Thus, the lady was unable to exercise free will. She also was raped.

It is also a little difficult to exercise free will when you are brainwashed , as a child, to think what the adults in your world presented to you is absolute truth.

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@Pemerson,

That should also be a crime. There's a thing called ethics, right and wrong, and how men can treat some women as sex objects. FYI, they are wrong.

If you can't figure that out for yourself, you are indeed a sad human.

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@cicerone imposter,

I could never understand that crime as what the point of having sex with a woman that is drug out of her mind?

One of those sex toy blowup doll would seem off hand to serve as well and not be a crime.

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@BillRM,

It's called "date rape."

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WHAT IS DATE AND ACQUAINTANCE RAPE?
Acquaintance rape is forced sexual intercourse with someone the victim knows. While some students may not think of forced sexual relations as rape, the action nevertheless is considered to be. Rape is a serious crime"a felony. And whenever a man uses force to have sex, he is committing a crime called rape, even if he knows the woman, and even if he has had sex with her before.
WHAT CAN COLLEGE MEN DO ABOUT DATE RAPE?
Respect the rights of women as you would your own rights. You don’t have the right to pressure or force a woman for sex or even to expect sex in any situation. Just because you’ve previously had sex with a woman does not give you the right to have sex with her again. If the woman
changes her mind, you must respect her wishes. Be explicit in your intentions and recognize that a woman has the right to say “no.” If you are
receiving both “yes” and “no” messages from your date, state your confusion, cease your action and discuss your concerns.
Men can help to eliminate the stereotypical attitude that women are sex objects and that men have the right to take whatever they please, especially in a dating situation. If you encounter such attitudes among friends, confront them. Recognized and help your friends recognize that these attitudes are demeaning.
Don’t take advantage of women unable to give consent regarding sexual activity because of alcohol or any condition, and don’t let other men do so either.

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@cicerone imposter,

It's called "date rape."
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Date Rape is not what I am talking about you do not have to be on a date to be able to drug some poor woman drink and have sex with her as she is unconscious now do you!

Rape as in force sex is one thing but having sex with a woman who is drug out of her mind and does not even have clue of what going on is a small sub set of rape and once more I can not see even from a rapist viewpoint that there is a point in some doing.

What kind of power trip is it to force your will on a woman that have zero power to resist and what kind of sexual enjoyment in the act when she might as well be a dead body?

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@BillRM,

Bill, You are dense! It's called "date rape," but it includes all unwelcome, forced, sex.

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@cicerone imposter,

"date rape" includes any unwelcome sexual advance that follows the administration of several drugs like Rohipnol or Laudenum(and several other Velerian mimics). Date rape can occur at any social occasion where men and women congregate and doesnt need the offical title of a "one on one Date" to bear the title.

Sveral instances of date rape had occured near my home town in Pa where the football team of a local high school had taken several girls at a party in forceful sexual congress after the girls were boozed and drugged.

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@farmerman,

Since the Gospels account for most of the historical Jesus, and the first Gospel, MARK, seems to be free of mentions of Jesus' spiritual side and even a convincing reference to his divinity. ALl that seems to be embellishment by the later Gospeleteers (Mathew Luke and John ) as well as following ACts and letters are attempts at being historical underpinning and philosophical "rules", so that most all of what this thread is based upon is a "Ripping Yarn" and nothing of forensic value.

My pointless life is entertained by listening to the empty protestations of the religious folks among us. I love all the pomp and ritual that Churches and religions engender , its like the old Monty Python movie "Life of Brian:" which lampooned the utter baselessness of most religious practice.

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@cicerone imposter,

Bill, You are dense! It's called "date rape," but it includes all unwelcome, forced, sex.
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Silly people date rape is when you rape with or without drugs someone you happen to be out on a date with. The used of a drug does not turn a non-date rape into a date rape.

If I go to as bar and place a drug in some woman drink at the bar that I had never seem before and then move her out of the bar to rape her as she get sick/pass out, that is date rape!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about being dense I would look into a mirror my strange friend if I was you<LOL>.

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I can not understand how stupid some people are just because a drug is call a date rape drug that does not mean any rape that occur using that drug or similar drugs have something to do with dating or raping a date!

Not true my friends and if you all have a brain cell in working order you would know that without the need of being told in large letters.

Lord and you people are voting!!!!! No wonder our society is in such a sad shape,

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@BillRM,

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Silly people date rape is when you rape with or without drugs someone you happen to be out on a date with.

Wrong, but iuts not worth continuing. CI was correct in that date rape is merely a name for a criminal act as a new social phenom.
Date rape happens at parties , clubs, and other mass gatherings of human larvae.

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@BillRM,

Bill, You are still missing from my above post:

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Rape is a serious crime"a felony.

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