Atheists... Your life is pointless

CI, last I heard (and I haven't read anything about it for about 2years), the churches were on the decline right up until about 2000 where their membership started picking up.

Also, as far as I know, Islam is still growing. Of course, when religion & politics are the same, laws enforce the religion, and fanatics carry it further, by arms if necessary...and the religion itself demands prayers five times a day...well, I guess it will keep on growing.

I believe you have that right! One thing I would like to tell you, though, is that not all Muslim countries are extremists - nor demand extreme dressing codes or religious prayer five times a day. Many countries in Central Asia are Muslim, but their laws make the promotion of religion a crime.

skippy, Christians have been saying that for thousands of years.

If you are referring to Thailand, there is a war going on between the govt and Islamic separatists in the south. In China it's a similar situation, but in the west. They are two that I know of, but no doubt it's going on elsewhere in Asia.

Last I heard, roughly 10% were 'extremists' (probably can also be termed fundamentalists, for following original fundamental teachings of Islam, but also extremists for how they've been indoctrinised and brainwashed). When there's over 1 billion muslims, that's 100million 'extremists'. Surveys in Islamic countries show 50% of muslims sympathise with them, and what they do.

Further, govt law doesn't always demand such, but often they also have religious courts that do demand much - if not to a constant extreme (Malaysia has religious courts, other countries too, but can't think of them off the top of my head), or religious militia that do, or even just a loose group of religious nutters that do - an example of this last, Indonesia for example, has had many Christian church bombings in the last decade, as well as quite a number of western hotel / nightclub bombings.

You also have to look at the makeup of each society - in the absence of other ideas / new idea's, the existing idea's become more extreme. Islam moves towards it being the basis of all ideas - ie, in reality it moves towards being the sole idea.

What survey are you talking about? Please post your sources. Also, I have personally visited many Muslim countries where most are like everybody else; they want peace and security. I was in Central Asia last year where it's over 90% Muslim, and in some of those countries, it's against the law to promote religion. m Many youngsters there approach American tourists to practice theire English, and many speak three-four languages.

I want to see your sources.

I think this is mostly an atheist forum John. I am reading your posts with a regard for them. A simple question turns into people defending their life w/ sarcasm. I find it pitiful.

Your post is just what pisses me off with religious people.

They are so adamant about the very existence of a god that they don't even see that some other views make even more sense.

What weight carries your post compared to the second one of this thread?

Francis U don't piss me off. understand.............
O' man what does god require of thee but to do justice love mercy and walk HUMBLY with ur god.

I don't love you and I keep my humility for when I'm dealing with really suffering people.

Pontification is not my cup of tea.

You should check the etymology of pontification, if you want to have a good laugh about religion, especially christianism..

You sanctimonious ass! You religious nuts believe you are following some religious moral as you insult without understanding why.

Get over yourself!

...........If you think god cannot prove his existance to a living soul, live on and go in peace. But a few responses so much more than a disregard for god, they show a hatred for followers of yeshua.

Usual for arrogant christians, playing the martyr..

My heart is devoid of hatred, but don't piss me off with your beliefs, as I don't try make you share mine..

Because rational thought and experience tells us that we should treat other people the way we want them to treat us. This is a more sensible way of living than just trying to fight your way to the top and using evolution as an excuse.
You don't have to believe in a greater being to have morals and common sense.
Incidentally what evidence is there to prove that there is a God other than a book written by some people a couple of millenia ago?
Why choose that faith over all the other possibilities?
If I wrote a book saying there was a giant penguin in a parallel universe controlling everything in our world would you believe that? After all it is the same principle

Rufus, your argument for the existence of morality is very reasonable and probably explains why all societies have some sort moral system. No God is needed, although gods, spirits, ancestors, etc. are often used to support such systems, to make them sacrosanct and beyond debate. But as you say, their ubiquity follows from their practical necessity.
What I dislike intensely is the Christian notion that to believe in Gods and the absolute truth of conventional moralities is a mark of virtue--as if we were morally obliged to believe that E=MC2.

So you only love others because there is an old man and his son and some form of a ghost on a throne in heaven? Such a three in one being for some reason give your life meaning and allow you to love? Why is that my friend?

In any case the universe hardly need a human dream up purpose gotten by making up some god created in the image of mankind to be a wonderful and interesting place.

LOL normally it is only Christians who can be that silly or their offspring the Muslims.

And God what god are you then referring to that give your sad life some little meaning?

That's a good point. I don't like that religious belief is completely detatched from understanding. Even the truth of E=MC2 is a matter of belief. But it's supported by your understanding. Belief, in the religious meaning of the word, is not supported by understanding. It even defies it.

This message board seriously makes me want to throw up. I wish atheists would just get it. You are going to have to submit to God after you die whether you believe it or not. And life is totally pointless if you believe in nothingness after death. Everything accomplished in life is for nothing. Your stupid athiest brain and body just rots in the grave forever. What a great way to look at life a ticking timebomb that leads to eternal nothingness. Darwin was a moron and you idiots buy into his crap. He is probably kissing Satan's ass right now as we speak. We morons are even talked about by god himself. In psalms it states, "Only Fools say in their heart, there is no God". Satan has got you right were he wants you going to hell for eternity suffering with him for rejecting God and his love. I feel like sticking up for God while you atheists trash him. You retards God has been discussed since the beginning of time of course he has always been around. You have no Damn proof in your athiesm crap it is just blind faith in nothing. You people should get over yourselfs and submit to God before it is to late. And another thing if life on earth is so Damn important to you people better be careful and not get in a car accident and die at a premature age because then I guess you are just screwed. What sucks for you people is you have no hope or real peace in this life then you will be tortured forever the second you die. Prove me wrong though keep believing in your crap maybe it will pay off and you will just slowly dissolve into nothing after you die and maybe you will get the Greatest Suprise of All after you die when you stare God in the face and he says, I Don't Know you and sends you into unimaginable pain and suffering that lasts forever. For a stupid belief you can't prove at all that is taking your chances big big time. But you morons to sturbborn to ever change so make sure and say Hi to Satan for me, i bet he will be glad to see you idiots there.

LOL

Now my friend out of all the gods the human race had come up with which god do we submit to?

According to many leading scientists, God is an endangered species because , like other species

1 First there hadda be people to even give a **** about all this soGod started out a many gods where the gods oversaw everything and treated the world as their playthings

2Then some Egyptian deitus genes began exercising morphological control and the many gods evolved into a single "more advanced" and wrathful god (G)od

3Then as the God was around a few thousand years. some folks saw the evolution of two subGods one a little boy with blue eyes, and the other, a pigeon.

4The big God got much more friendly as the kid grew and matured

5The kid God was killed by some mob, this evolving the Kid God into Deus Immortalitus.