Atheists... Your life is pointless

@cicerone imposter,

ok now that was rude also. how did you know I needed a diet?

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@Pookie53,

Pookie53 wrote:

Well ,the Bible says we were created in God's image and the sense of wrong and right , the moral code, is the part of us that is God in us.

And just because the Bible says it, that makes it true? I don't see why. After all, the Bible speaks about god with no greater authority than the Odyssey and the Iliad speak about Zeus, Athena, and other gods of Ancient Greece. You wouldn't believe humans were made by Zeus just because the Iliad said so. Don't ask me to have more faith in the Bible than you have in the Iliad.

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@Pookie53,

Pookie53 wrote:

I am not proud at all. It WAS rude. But I cannot convince you with any Evidence of miracles because I am just not smart enough to get around your disdain of anything to do with God. You have already made up your mind.

You are incorrect; I have not 'made up my mind.' I am open to being convinced, provided actual evidence.

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I know of at least 5 people at my church who had life threatening health problems and the doctors could not explain why they got better. Is this evidence? I doubt you would accept it.

No, of course not. First of all, I don't know if you are lying or not. Second, I don't know if those people at the church are lying or not. Third, I don't know that their illnesses were actually 'life-threatening'; the Flu is life-threatening. Fourth, even if we accept that they were sick and got better, the fact that we don't know why they did doesn't provide evidence of a miracle.

I'm quite sure miracles are everywhere, if you change the definition to mean 'anything I want to call a miracle.'

Cycloptichorn

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@cicerone imposter,

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Your brain is already fried with jesus food. You must learn to go on a diet.

Not nice Cicerone. It's one against a million. Be fair.

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@iamsam82,

You left off the rest of what I said. There is a Bible and that is how I know God. The Bible was written by people who were filled with God and spoke His words.
I don't think God spoke through Oscar Wilde. Can't be sure Smile

He had some good points about evil and what it does to your countenance

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@Thomas,

Until you actually read it, you won't know will you? Or have you? Have you actually read it without predjudice? I am interested. Many people talk about the Bible but have never read it even though they can quote the parts out of context very well.

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@Pookie53,

I have read it, cover to cover, twice. I think it's an interesting read, but it's a book like any other.

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@Cycloptichorn,

OK what is a miracle.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Pookie53 wrote:

What kind of evidence would be enough? This is from the gospel of John

18Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

he meant destroy me and I will rise up again in 3 days.
Everybody wants a sign............. In John again, Jesus said to Thomas after He had been ressurected.
'Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Nothing from the Bible is 'evidence,' as you weren't there and have no clue if it was made up, exaggerated, or what.
Yes, I would like to see something miraculous happen in our modern time to be convinced. Funny how those keep on not happening.

Cycloptichorn

The same could be said of any history book written without first hand knowledge.

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@Thomas,

Well I do admire that. I have only read about two thirds of it. The new testament many times and the old testament up to Isaiah so far. It is not an easy read. May I ask why you read it twice?

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@Pookie53,

The first time I read it in the late eighties, out of general interest.

The second time, I read it in 2002 -- after 9/11, and after reading the Q'uran. Having concluded that a straightforward reading of the Q'uran easily justified atrocities like 9/11, I re-read the Bible as a control experiment. Hypothetically, would fundamentalist Christians flying plains into buildings find support in the Bible as readily as fundamentalist Muslims found it in the Q'uran? After re-reading the Bible, I concluded that they would. The Biblical God, especially in the Old Testament, is every bit as nasty as the God of the Q'uran.

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gotta go, back Monday, God willing Smile

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@Thomas,

I will think on this over the weekend and answer on Monday. gotta go

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@Pookie53,

Pookie53 wrote:

OK what is a miracle.

It is an action which clearly violates the laws of physics and is not explainable through any known phenomena.

Cycloptichorn

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@Intrepid,

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The same could be said of any history book written without first hand knowledge.

This is true, and why those of us into History rely on Primary sources as much as possible, and hopefully multiple sources which corroborate each other.

Not much of that going on, re: the Bible.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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It is an action which clearly violates the laws of physics and is not explainable through any known phenomena.

Yeah...like the '69 Mets

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@Cycloptichorn,

True; the only support for the bible is the bible and nothing else that's documented. One would think with all those miracles performed during jesus' time, many would have recorded these miracles. The bread and fish is one of those; it fed thousands, but no other source confirms that miracle.

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@cicerone imposter,

Good point, C.I.. It seems that religions are essentially moral codes (in addition to being metaphysical cosmologies), and every society needs some kind of moral rule-systems if only to tell people when and how they are being immoral. The more primitive societies have lacked legal (i.e., secular) codes and have made do, instead, with supernaturally based moral codes. We don't depend as much now on our moral codes now that we have legal systems for regulating or restricting behavior.

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@JLNobody,

It's obvious that most humans need some supreme thing that rules over this planet/universe. That's the reason the oldest cultures created some gods; many had more than one god. It's some human need that can be exploited to the extreme, and we can see from church organizations that it works very successfully.

I believe humans get comfort from being able to talk to their god who they believe is a loving god.

The biggest mystery for me is that the bible doesn't portray a loving god, but one that is full of rage and revenge for not following his word.

But, that's me!

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@cicerone imposter,

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The biggest mystery for me is that the bible doesn't portray a loving god, but one that is full of rage and revenge for not following his word.

But life was so bad in those days ci. that it seemed as if something or somebody was in a rage about them. Their only alternative to a savage god was no god. How could people who lived like they did possibly think there was a loving god?

The New Testament offers a route which seems as if God is beaming his approval. The point of the Bible is the contrast. The dawning of a new epoch. Have you got something against feeling as if God is beaming with approval. Have you an alternative method of getting to that? Has you not risking being deluded a higher priority?

The Saviour is a very prominent theme in movies. When did you last see a movie where the train wheels chopped off the hands and feet of the scantily dressed damsel and thwarted the plans of the dastardly and evil villian who fastened her to the tracks.

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