O oh oh, what a jolly party the Republican Party is

As Vogt points out there is no definite proof that the Nazis set the fire, but the incredible speed with which Hitler exploited the fire gives credence to the rumors that circulated in Germany at the time that the S.A., acting under Goering's orders, set the fire.

According to that logic, one could argue that George W. Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks as well.

Well, at least this time he quoted two sources, even if they're both over 40 years old.. :wink:

(Flaja: there's been a lot of findings since.)

joefromchicago wrote:

According to that logic, one could argue that George W. Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks as well.

How so? Is there a tunnel leading from the White House to the World Trade Center, or did GWB have to have the tunnel extended to Crawford?

As Vogt points out there is no definite proof that the Nazis set the fire, but the incredible speed with which Hitler exploited the fire gives credence to the rumors that circulated in Germany at the time that the S.A., acting under Goering's orders, set the fire.

I cannot vouch right off for Vogt, but Shirer was a highly competent and still highly respected historian of Nazi Germany. I know of no respectable scholar, journalist or pundit who honestly believes GWB is responsible for 9-11.

If you only use the two criteria that you actually used -- incredible speed in exploiting a situation, and rumors that the leadership was involved in creating the situation -- then it's clear that Bush after 9/11 fits those criteria just as much as Hitler after the Reichstag fire.

joefromchicago wrote:

If you only use the two criteria that you actually used -- incredible speed in exploiting a situation, and rumors that the leadership was involved in creating the situation -- then it's clear that Bush after 9/11 fits those criteria just as much as Hitler after the Reichstag fire.

Except the fact that Bush didn't have a history of using violence in a decade-long quest for power and he didn't have a pliable other branch of government with which he could complete his power grab.

Presently, at the top of my screen is an advertisement to recieve in my email the thoughts of Ann Coulter.

And on the right side of the screen, a similar offer for Newt Gingrich.

I feel dirty.

Once again, you're injecting another element into the equation that wasn't there before. As I pointed out, using the logic that you actually used, you could make the same argument about Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.

By your reasoning if someone says Hillary Clinton runs a brothel on the moon she must really run a brothel on the moon because that's what rumor says.

As Vogt points out there is no definite proof that the Nazis set the fire, but the incredible speed with which Hitler exploited the fire gives credence to the rumors that circulated in Germany at the time that the S.A., acting under Goering's orders, set the fire.

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flaja wrote:

By your reasoning if someone says Hillary Clinton runs a brothel on the moon she must really run a brothel on the moon because that's what rumor says.

Comprehension seems to dawn on you. Now read what you posted before as evidence that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire:

flaja wrote:

As Vogt points out there is no definite proof that the Nazis set the fire, but the incredible speed with which Hitler exploited the fire gives credence to the rumors that circulated in Germany at the time that the S.A., acting under Goering's orders, set the fire.

By your reasoning, if someone says that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire they must really have started the fire because that's what the rumor says.

How do you make this conclusion?

It is a common tactic on the left to make outlandish charges that must be true simply because they are outlandish.

By a weird coincidence, there was also in Berlin a deranged Communist conducting a one-man uprising. An arsonist named Marinus van der Lubbe, 24, from Holland, had been wandering around Berlin for a week attempting to burn government buildings to protest capitalism and start a revolt. On February 27, he decided to burn the Reichstag building.

Carrying incendiary devices, he spent all day lurking around the building, before breaking in around 9 p.m. He took off his shirt, lit it on fire, then went to work using it as his torch.

The exact sequence of events will never be known, but Nazi storm troopers under the direction of Göring were also involved in torching the place. They had befriended the arsonist and may have known or even encouraged him to burn the Reichstag that night. The storm troopers, led by SA leader Karl Ernst, used the underground tunnel that connected Göring's residence with the cellar in the Reichstag. They entered the building, scattered gasoline and incendiaries, then hurried back through the tunnel.

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To substantiate these claims, you bring two sources (both over 40 years old).

I did not introduce anything new.

There is no legitimate evidence upon which to base any claim or rumor that GWB was behind 9-11.

There is such evidence to back up a claim that the Nazis burned the Reichstag.

By your reasoning if someone says Hillary Clinton runs a brothel on the moon she must really run a brothel on the moon because that's what rumor says.