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Sat 8 Oct, 2005 07:21 am
Quote:The dark side of faith
By ROSA BROOKS
IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.
This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of "popular religiosity" and various "quantifiable societal health" indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.
Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.
He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. ?- which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) ?- also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.
This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on "values." Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to "values," if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.
Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were "red" in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.
Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around.
Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of "faith-based" social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.
We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational.
This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.
The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being?
Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent.
My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful.
To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry.
And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous.
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Yeah, that God is a real pisser, ain't He.
Thanks for posting that, blatham.
The people who agree with the article, as I do, have seen the light all along; however, the religious fanatics are going to scream blasphemy and burn you at the stake for your sin of false communication.
Just how many Gods are there?
Which God is the best God?
How did He get picked as the best God?
Does God get paid?
Who the Hell signs His paycheck?
gustavratzenhofer wrote:Thanks for posting that, blatham.
The people who agree with the article, as I do, have seen the light all along; however, the religious fanatics are going to scream blasphemy and burn you at the stake for your sin of false communication.
gus
I know. Please pray for me.
phoenix
Re chicken and egg... I doubt that religious practice or membership (of the absolutist sort alluded to) brings about a psychic need or preference for absolutist answers/worldview any moreso than joining a Kirby vacuum-cleaner sales team will bring about poverty, low ethics, and a fondness for crude humor. I suspect it is personality structure which finds a comfortable home in such a milieu.
Clearly, the times can matter. I do not see much important difference between fundamentalist Islam, fundamentalist Judaism, fundamentalist Christianity or fundamentalist Hinduism, etc, where by 'fundamentalist' we mean extremist or absolutist...each of these (and why not include extremist nationalism and severe ethnic/racial division) seem a common response to 'modernity' or change.
Quote:(CDK is a prime example of this phenomenon).
True. But he is into some very odd stuff with farm animals.
Bob Lablob wrote:Just how many Gods are there?
Which God is the best God?
How did He get picked as the best God?
Does God get paid?
Who the Hell signs His paycheck?
one, but he suffers from a multiple personality disorder
see answer above
see answer above
yes
the pope, the vatican is the only organized religion with that kind if cash
Reminds me that my wife's professor who taught about substance abuse and addiction had her primary study as sexual fetishism. She moved to Lubbock, TX (a highly religious town) because that's where the fetishists were. Apparently there's quite the S&M underground society in Lubbock. Go figure.
DrewDad wrote:Reminds me that my wife's professor who taught about substance abuse and addiction had her primary study as sexual fetishism. She moved to Lubbock, TX (a highly religious town) because that's where the fetishists were. Apparently there's quite the S&M underground society in Lubbock. Go figure.
There ain't, I think, many questions more interesting than how and why control of sexual behaviors gets so mixed in with religious proscriptions. As true with Osama's crowd as it is with Dobson's or the Pope's crowd.
The head-banging, teeth-gnashing thing of it is that where these two things get mixed together then form or appearance trumps reality...unwanted pregnancies, spread of disease, etc are no longer the real focus of attention, and actual solutions or ameliorative strategies fall by the wayside.
I suspect that the less educated and well off you are, the more you are likely to be attracted by godism.
I likewise suspect that the godism is an artefact of the educational and economic ills, rather than a primary cause of them.
Where fundamentalist christianity and islam, eg, may become part of the problem, and help to cement the disadvantage, is their stupid dislike of birth control and rational discussion of sex.
Also, both (and other religions, too) have acted to cement in disadvantage and lack of education for women (christianity less so now).
I have observed that in fundamentalist (and sometimes more mainstream) sects that derive from Abrahamic traditions, the consonant thread that runs through all of them is the subjugation of women (to a greater or lesser extent), and the control of reproduction.
Oh, I hate this damn edit thing, I was gonna add to my post:
Edit: Oh, your article says that.
Ach, dogma, whether religious, communist, neocon, fascist etc sucks.
I agree with the bit that talks about accepting uncertainty as being healthy and helpful.
Down with dear based control systems!
Yes, Phoenix, these middle eastern desert cults are a pain that way!
But, is it particular to them?
What about Hinduism, eg?
One day, many freaking moons ago, some hairy goon walked out of his cave just in time to see lightning strike a tree and set it on fire.
The caveman -who's name was Earl- screamed, "GODDAM!"
Thus was God born and He was cursed by man even then.
Earl would have s**t his pants but he didn't have pants so he just s**t his furry robe thingy and walked back into his cave and said to his mate -who's name was Edna- , "Edna honey, I need a damn Xanax. God just blew up a tree and scared the s**t out of me."
Edna looked at Earl and said, "Earl, you moron. Trees don't just blow up, there is no God and Xanax won't be invented for another few hundred thousand years"
Earl, staring dejectedly down at the floor muttered, "....goddamit..."
Do you work for Upjohn pharmaceutical company, Bob? Or just have an affinity for Xanax?