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Cindy Sheehan Busted In Front Of White House.....

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:54 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
My point is that the word "wacko" was being used to simply dismiss them, and will no doubt be used on a frequent basis by the self interested pro Bush media, to minimise the influence of these demonstrators on the population.

"Oh, I know there are 10,000/50,000/ 3 million of them outside the White house, but they are all wacko's"........what a silly reaction.


If these folks don't want to be labeled "wackos," then I would think they would not allow wackos to represent them and speak for them at these rallies. As it is, they did, and the label is appropriate.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:02 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
I heard some snippets of these anti-war folks talking today. What a bunch of moonbats! She didn't have far to fall, but I'm sure she's widely seen now not as a grieving mother, but just another wacko anti-war liberal.


Wishful thinking Tico. You can't possibly believe that. This IS Viet Nam all over again, and people are realizing it. Cindy Sheehan neds to appear at her next protest meeting under a "Mission Accomplished" banner. She is garnering sympathy for the end the war movement.


Coming off her crying in dailykos about not getting enough media time because too much attention was being given to the victims of Katrina and Rita, she is no longer smelling like a rose to her former fans.


According to Cindy, Hurricane Rita was just a bit of "wind and rain". LOL, Tico. Calling her a moonbat is too kind. "Wacko" is definitely accurate.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:06 am
JustWonders wrote:

According to Cindy, Hurricane Rita was just a bit of "wind and rain". LOL, Tico. Calling her a moonbat is too kind. "Wacko" is definitely accurate.


According to some A2K'ers from that region it was = Wackos.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:10 am
And according to thousands of others in both East Texas and southern Louisiana, it was a bit more than just "wind and rain".

Of course, Cindy was obviously referring to those few A2Kers who dodged the bullet.

Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:18 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
My point is that the word "wacko" was being used to simply dismiss them, and will no doubt be used on a frequent basis by the self interested pro Bush media, to minimise the influence of these demonstrators on the population.

"Oh, I know there are 10,000/50,000/ 3 million of them outside the White house, but they are all wacko's"........what a silly reaction.


If these folks don't want to be labeled "wackos," then I would think they would not allow wackos to represent them and speak for them at these rallies. As it is, they did, and the label is appropriate.


you mean like having pat robertson represent the christian right? Laughing
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:19 am
Or Bush represent the country?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:22 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
My point is that the word "wacko" was being used to simply dismiss them, and will no doubt be used on a frequent basis by the self interested pro Bush media, to minimise the influence of these demonstrators on the population.

"Oh, I know there are 10,000/50,000/ 3 million of them outside the White house, but they are all wacko's"........what a silly reaction.


If these folks don't want to be labeled "wackos," then I would think they would not allow wackos to represent them and speak for them at these rallies. As it is, they did, and the label is appropriate.


you mean like having pat robertson represent the christian right? Laughing


If you catch me at a rally where the keynote speaker is Pat Robertson, then you have my permission to call me a "wacko."
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:22 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
JustWonders wrote:

According to Cindy, Hurricane Rita was just a bit of "wind and rain". LOL, Tico. Calling her a moonbat is too kind. "Wacko" is definitely accurate.


According to some A2K'ers from that region it was = Wackos.


One former fan at dailykos:

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"it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain"
I'm in Southeast Texas with family on the coast and in Lake Jackson, LA.

I'd like you to tell us it's just a little wind and rain. They've lost their homes, jobs and businesses and gone through fear and panic while you bask in your fan's adulation, party with your celebrity friends and play the star.

Shame on you, you're jealous of media coverage of other's suffering. You've become a caricature and I no longer support you. I'm ashamed I ever did.
LINK
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:24 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
I heard some snippets of these anti-war folks talking today. What a bunch of moonbats! She didn't have far to fall, but I'm sure she's widely seen now not as a grieving mother, but just another wacko anti-war liberal.


Wishful thinking Tico. You can't possibly believe that. This IS Viet Nam all over again, and people are realizing it. Cindy Sheehan neds to appear at her next protest meeting under a "Mission Accomplished" banner. She is garnering sympathy for the end the war movement.


Coming off her crying in dailykos about not getting enough media time because too much attention was being given to the victims of Katrina and Rita, she is no longer smelling like a rose to her former fans.


perhaps if our foreign and domestic policies wren't being implemented and run by mouth breathing radical right, left wing wackos would not be necessary to bring balance to the force.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:25 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
My point is that the word "wacko" was being used to simply dismiss them, and will no doubt be used on a frequent basis by the self interested pro Bush media, to minimise the influence of these demonstrators on the population.

"Oh, I know there are 10,000/50,000/ 3 million of them outside the White house, but they are all wacko's"........what a silly reaction.


If these folks don't want to be labeled "wackos," then I would think they would not allow wackos to represent them and speak for them at these rallies. As it is, they did, and the label is appropriate.


you mean like having pat robertson represent the christian right? Laughing


If you catch me at a rally where the keynote speaker is Pat Robertson, then you have my permission to call me a "wacko."


Tico, somehow I get the feeling that I would not catch you at any rally unless it was a tailgate party with a keg and some ribs. I could be wrong.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:33 am
Thanks for that link, tico.

I'm sure, you read the other post of this former fan on that board as well (he just posted twice).
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:45 am
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Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.

By Christopher Hitchens
Updated Monday, Sept. 26, 2005, at 11:19 AM PT

Saturday's demonstration in Washington, in favor of immediate withdrawal of coalition forces from Iraq, was the product of an opportunistic alliance between two other very disparate "coalitions." Here is how the New York Times (after a front-page and an inside headline, one of them reading "Speaking Up Against War" and one of them reading "Antiwar Rallies Staged in Washington and Other Cities") described the two constituenciess of the event:
    The protests were largely sponsored by two groups, the Answer Coalition, which embodies a wide range of progressive political objectives, and United for Peace and Justice, which has a more narrow, antiwar focus.
The name of the reporter on this story was Michael Janofsky. I suppose that it is possible that he has never before come across "International ANSWER," the group run by the "Worker's World" party and fronted by Ramsey Clark, which openly supports Kim Jong-il, Fidel Castro, Slobodan Milosevic, and the "resistance" in Afghanistan and Iraq, with Clark himself finding extra time to volunteer as attorney for the génocidaires in Rwanda. Quite a "wide range of progressive political objectives" indeed, if that's the sort of thing you like. However, a dip into any database could have furnished Janofsky with well-researched and well-written articles by David Corn and Marc Cooper?-to mention only two radical left journalists?-who have exposed "International ANSWER" as a front for (depending on the day of the week) fascism, Stalinism, and jihadism.

The group self-lovingly calling itself "United for Peace and Justice" is by no means "narrow" in its "antiwar focus" but rather represents a very extended alliance between the Old and the New Left, some of it honorable and some of it redolent of the World Youth Congresses that used to bring credulous priests and fellow-traveling hacks together to discuss "peace" in East Berlin or Bucharest. Just to give you an example, from one who knows the sectarian makeup of the Left very well, I can tell you that the Worker's World Party?-Ramsey Clark's core outfit?-is the product of a split within the Trotskyist movement. These were the ones who felt that the Trotskyist majority, in 1956, was wrong to denounce the Russian invasion of Hungary. The WWP is the direct, lineal product of that depraved rump. If the "United for Peace and Justice" lot want to sink their differences with such riffraff and mount a joint demonstration, then they invite some principled political criticism on their own account. And those who just tag along Â… well, they just tag along.

To be against war and militarism, in the tradition of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, is one thing. But to have a record of consistent support for war and militarism, from the Red Army in Eastern Europe to the Serbian ethnic cleansers and the Taliban, is quite another. It is really a disgrace that the liberal press refers to such enemies of liberalism as "antiwar" when in reality they are straight-out pro-war, but on the other side. Was there a single placard saying, "No to Jihad"? Of course not. Or a single placard saying, "Yes to Kurdish self-determination" or "We support Afghan women's struggle"? Don't make me laugh. And this in a week when Afghans went back to the polls, and when Iraqis were preparing to do so, under a hail of fire from those who blow up mosques and U.N. buildings, behead aid workers and journalists, proclaim fatwahs against the wrong kind of Muslim, and utter hysterical diatribes against Jews and Hindus.

Some of the leading figures in this "movement," such as George Galloway and Michael Moore, are obnoxious enough to come right out and say that they support the Baathist-jihadist alliance. Others prefer to declare their sympathy in more surreptitious fashion. The easy way to tell what's going on is this: Just listen until they start to criticize such gangsters even a little, and then wait a few seconds before the speaker says that, bad as these people are, they were invented or created by the United States. That bad, huh? (You might think that such an accusation?-these thugs were cloned by the American empire for God's sake?-would lead to instant condemnation. But if you thought that, gentle reader, you would be wrong.)

The two preferred metaphors are, depending on the speaker, that the Bin-Ladenists are the fish that swim in the water of Muslim discontent or the mosquitoes that rise from the swamp of Muslim discontent. (Quite often, the same images are used in the same harangue.) The "fish in the water" is an old trope, borrowed from Mao's hoary theory of guerrilla warfare and possessing a certain appeal to comrades who used to pore over the Little Red Book. The mosquitoes are somehow new and hover above the water rather than slip through it. No matter. The toxic nature of the "water" or "swamp" is always the same: American support for Israel. Thus, the existence of the Taliban regime cannot be swamplike, presumably because mosquitoes are born and not made. The huge swamp that was Saddam's Iraq has only become a swamp since 2003. The organized murder of Muslims by Muslims in Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan is only a logical reaction to the summit of globalizers at Davos. The stoning and veiling of women must be a reaction to Zionism. While the attack on the World Trade Center?-well, who needs reminding that chickens, or is it mosquitoes, come home to roost?

There are only two serious attempts at swamp-draining currently under way. In Afghanistan and Iraq, agonizingly difficult efforts are in train to build roads, repair hospitals, hand out ballot papers, frame constitutions, encourage newspapers and satellite dishes, and generally evolve some healthy water in which civil-society fish may swim. But in each case, from within the swamp and across the borders, the most poisonous snakes and roaches are being recruited and paid to wreck the process and plunge people back into the ooze. How nice to have a "peace" movement that is either openly on the side of the vermin, or neutral as between them and the cleanup crew, and how delightful to have a press that refers to this partisanship, or this neutrality, as "progressive."
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:39 am
You are in effect calling the majoirty of Americans phoney peaceniks because they want the US to pull out and think it was not worth doing in the first place.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/iraq.poll/%20-%2049k%20-%20Sep%2025,%202005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/22/iraq.poll/index.html
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:55 am
revel wrote:
You are in effect calling the majoirty of Americans phoney peaceniks because they want the US to pull out and think it was not worth doing in the first place.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/iraq.poll/%20-%2049k%20-%20Sep%2025,%202005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/22/iraq.poll/index.html


Two main problems with that: (1) It is Christopher Hitchens who is calling people "phoney peaceniks," I'm merely applauding his efforts, and (2) Hitchens is specifically referring to the moonbats attending and promoting the "peace rally" in Washington.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:51 am
Hitchens is a gasbag. The fact that a loose opposition coalition attracts those with widely disparate goals, connected by one common factor, should not be seen as surprising; it's the way the modern Republican coalition was formed, after all...

He merely uses this convienent vehicle to disparage the anti-war movement b/c it's a low, easy target.

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:58 am
Quote:
He merely uses this convienent vehicle to disparage the anti-war movement b/c it's a low, easy target.



Agreed.

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Hitchens is a gasbag.


Double agreed.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:07 am
revel wrote:
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He merely uses this convienent vehicle to disparage the anti-war movement b/c it's a low, easy target.



Agreed.

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Hitchens is a gasbag.


Double agreed.


Yet, Michael Moore is a hero???

I guess it is a matter of perspective.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:09 am
No, he's a gasbag as well.

Why can't two people both be gasbags, even if they are on the opposite sides of the spectrum?

Moore did more damage to the anti-war movement with his crappy 9/11 movie than anyone else, really.... if he had taken the time to put together a more convincing case (which he could have) then perhaps those on the left would take him a little more seriously.

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:14 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
No, he's a gasbag as well.

Why can't two people both be gasbags, even if they are on the opposite sides of the spectrum?

Moore did more damage to the anti-war movement with his crappy 9/11 movie than anyone else, really.... if he had taken the time to put together a more convincing case (which he could have) then perhaps those on the left would take him a little more seriously.

Cycloptichorn


OK..I'll agree with that they are both gas bags.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:23 am
And you must admit that one's a bigger gasbag than the other.
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