Hey, check this out, 911 (truth movement) websites keep growing :wink: :
Quote:Team 8+ are a group of independent researchers who have been brought together by a mutual desire to find the real truth behind the 9/11 attacks and other major world events.
The graphic below contains some introductory information about plane swapping, please also read "Holes in the Radar" and the other articles on this site for more information.
http://www.team8plus.org/news.php
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:You conspiracy nuts need to take a strong laxative and purge yourselves of your paranoia.
maybe it's the doubters who need the laxative, to purge them of all the **** fed to them by the "mainstream" media.
A few links. What have you got to lose? At least you'd be able to argue your side properly.
9/11 Revisited (video), Were explosives used?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I
Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
911Eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
Historical Context/Backdrop
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear
Part One
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=461187809452836609
Part Two
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=863208674021515498
Part Three
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2324388902129396093&q=the+power+of+nightmares
http://www.st911.org (Scholars for 911 truth)
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:You conspiracy nuts need to take a strong laxative and purge yourselves of your paranoia.
Relax buddy your going to have a heart attack. this thread is for hardcore Amercans. Go kiss Bushes ass somewhere else.
EXPERTS CALL FOR RELEASE OF 9/11 EVIDENCE
Scholars for 9/11 Truth supports Judicial Watch
Duluth, MN (PRWEB) February 28, 2006 -- A society of experts and scholars has now joined with Judicial Watch in calling for release of videos that are being held by the Department of Defense, which are essential to understanding events at the Pentagon that transpired on September 11, 2001. Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which is dedicated to exposing falsehoods and establishing truths about the events of 9/11, has gone beyond Judicial Watch by calling for the release of other films and evidence that, its officers maintain, are essential to understanding 9/11.
"It is outrageous that the government is withholding this vital information", said James H. Fetzer, founder and co-chair of the society. "This concerns one of the monstrous events of our time and deserves to be in the public domain." The group, whose members include such prominent figures as David Ray Griffin, Morgan Reynolds, John McMurtry, Wayne Madsen, Robert Bowman, Webster Tarpley, and Andreas von Buelow, has been speaking out against what its own research suggests has been complicity by elements of the administration in the crime.
They are calling for immediate release of the full Pentagon surveillance tape as well as video tapes seized by FBI agents minutes after the Pentagon hit; a complete inventory of the plane wreckage and debris from Flights 11, 77, 93, 175 or any other aircraft that crashed or was destroyed on September 11, 2001, including, but not limited to their location (whether warehoused or otherwise), catalog of photographs and videotapes taken of any items from the planes, and results of all tests and examinations conducted concerning any of these items.
Judicial Watch has filed a lawsuit demanding that DoD release its film footage. In addition, the scholars call for the release of a complete inventory of any steel, other metal, or other materials from the World Trade Center, including, but not limited to the location (whether warehouses or otherwise) of all such items, catalog of photographs and videotapes of any items from the scene, and results of all tests and examinations conducted concerning any of those items.
Judy Wood, a professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson University and a full member of the society of scholars, has emphasized the importance of this material for those studying the collapse of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7. "This material has the potential to resolve crucial questions about the forces that were responsible for the buildings' fall, including the possible use of incendiaries and explosives", she observed. "It is of great importance that we have access to it."
They also call for release of 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage held by NIST; tape recordings of interviews by air traffic controllers, at least some of which were deliberately destroyed while in the possession of representatives of the government; a complete accounting of "terror drills" that were being conducted that morning, which may have been used to mask the attack; the cockpit voice recorders and other "black boxes", three of four of which are reported to have survived the Twin Towers' collapse; and other related evidence.
According to Professor Fetzer, the SEC possesses knowledge of "put options" on American and United Airlines, which are suggestive of advanced knowledge that the attacks would take place; Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta gave very important testimony to The 9/11 Commission, which it chose not to include in its report; and the Secret Service conducted itself in a manner suggesting that it knew there was no serious threat to the President, even following the attacks in New York, while the Commander-in-Chief ignored the unfolding drama.
"We are inclined to believe that these events were orchestrated by the Bush administration in order to instill fear in the American people," Fetzer said. "The use of violence and threats of violence to manipulate a populace based on fear," he observed, "is the definition of terrorism. The release of this vital evidence will help to confirm or to dispel our concerns about what happened on 9/11." Added Wood, "The American people are entitled to know the truth about their own country. If the government has nothing to hide, it should have no objections to releasing all this evidence for experts and scholars to study."
Fetzer also noted today's Zogby International Poll, which shows that 90% of American troops in Iraq believe that they are fighting to avenge Saddam Hussein's role in 9/11. "This would be funny if it weren't so sad", Fetzer said. "The administration falsely linked Iraq to 9/11 even though it knew better", he remarked. "Even the Osama Bin Laden 'confession tape' appears to have been faked. We want to know the identity of those who perpetrated these despicable acts."
Hey zippo Your topic is great. I would just like to ask you how to add pictures and video clips to your post and topic. Thanks
It's no use presenting this crew with anything of this sort.
The US has conducted horrific clandestine operations in the past to posture themselves and their interests above anyone elses.
Given the track record of this current administration, why would it be a shock to learn that the most powerful family in American history had anything to do with it and it's coverup.
Maybe this thread does serve a useful purpose. It is instructive to sane people to realize how the fringe left actually thinks. Maybe Michael Moore can come out with some more "documentaries?" Maybe you could even bring Dan Rather back out of retirement?
okie wrote:Maybe this thread does serve a useful purpose. It is instructive to sane people to realize how the fringe left actually thinks. Maybe Michael Moore can come out with some more "documentaries?" Maybe you could even bring Dan Rather back out of retirement?
Didn't you hear, Okie? There's no Bushadministrationbutt to kiss here. Move along, and hold that pucker...
bond77770
Quote:Hey zippo Your topic is great. I would just like to ask you how to add pictures and video clips to your post and topic. Thanks
Hi bond, ok here's what to do :-
1.) From your website find the pic you want, then simply
right click on it, then select
'copy image address' (if you have Opera browser) or
image properties then you can view the image address(URL) (internet explorer), copy the address.
2.) To post the image on this or any other forum, type:
[img]place your image address here[/img], always click
Preview before you submit your post.
To post small clips, you have to find
.gif files, which are animated movies, and follow the above two steps.
Hope this helps.
okie wrote:Maybe this thread does serve a useful purpose. It is instructive to sane people to realize how the fringe left actually thinks. Maybe Michael Moore can come out with some more "documentaries?" Maybe you could even bring Dan Rather back out of retirement?
Maybe you could start by seeing past the left/right illusion. This has nothing to do with "left" or "right" politics.
We all know about the Bush administrations strained relationship with the truth. Recently we learned that they lied to us about the warnings of Levy failures before Katrina. Before that we learned they lied to us about Bush ties to Abramoff. Before that it was lies about progress in Iraq ("the insurgency is in its last days"). Before that it was… NSA domestic wiretaps of Americans… No one at the WH released Plame's identity… The Medicare drug benefit cost… "We do not torture"… Pat Tillman's death… intelligence fixed… Jessica Lynch… armor for the troops… "There can be no doubt that Iraq has reconstituted its nuclear program"… Saddam has links to al Qaeda… Ground zero air is safe to breathe… and on, and on.
BUT…
I'm convinced by comments to this blog that the administration must be telling the truth about 9/11.
Even though they haven't released any photos or video of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
Even though no steel building has ever fallen due to fire.
Even though they haven't explained why NORAD was MIA.
Even though there is no plane wreckage at the crash site in Shanksville.
Even though they haven't produced any physical evidence identifying the planes.
So you've convinced me. I'm sure they couldn't possibly be lying about what happened on 9/11.
Thanks, I feel so much better... (NOT!)
Lookin' for the 911 Truth
so you think they are telling the truth????? They did all of that so they could finally do something to Iraq. They did it so they could make more money. Were is asalam bin laden? they did not catch him. It would have been easy, if they put more troops in and went straght for him. Insted, they slowly took over 3 months, clearing baghdad, then they went after him. They dident even care, wether they caught him or not. Isn't that a bit weird?
Here's an interesting find, and dont complain about the source : :wink:
These are the videos AIPAC lobbied FOX News to remove from their website. Since then,. AIPAC has found itself embroiled in yet another espionage case, this time involving an operative inside the very Pentagon office from which many of the now discredited claims abut Iraq's WMD.
FOX News threatened this website to force the removal of these videos, but they appear here at this outside website for those of you unaware that on 9-11, the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered in the US was in the process of being rounded up, and that evidence linking these arrested Israeli spies to 9-11 has been classified by the US Government!
Fox News - 911 The Israeli Connection
freedom4free wrote:We all know about the Bush administrations strained relationship with the truth. Recently we learned that they lied to us about the warnings of Levy failures before Katrina. Before that we learned they lied to us about Bush ties to Abramoff. Before that it was lies about progress in Iraq ("the insurgency is in its last days"). Before that it was
NSA domestic wiretaps of Americans
No one at the WH released Plame's identity
The Medicare drug benefit cost
"We do not torture"
Pat Tillman's death
intelligence fixed
Jessica Lynch
armor for the troops
"There can be no doubt that Iraq has reconstituted its nuclear program"
Saddam has links to al Qaeda
Ground zero air is safe to breathe
and on, and on.
BUT
I'm convinced by comments to this blog that the administration must be telling the truth about 9/11.
Even though they haven't released any photos or video of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
Even though no steel building has ever fallen due to fire.
Even though they haven't explained why NORAD was MIA.
Even though there is no plane wreckage at the crash site in Shanksville.
Even though they haven't produced any physical evidence identifying the planes.
So you've convinced me. I'm sure they couldn't possibly be lying about what happened on 9/11.
Thanks, I feel so much better... (NOT!)
Lookin' for the 911 Truth
This posting is a perfect example of how nutty conspiracy theories get legs.
Recently we
did not learn that the Bush Administration lied to us about advance warnings concerning the breach of the NO levees. The AP misreported the story, and Bush haters jumped on it.
The Administration received warnings that "topping" the levees was a possibility. "Topping" the levees and "breaching" the levees are two significantly different events.
If one of your assertions about Bush Administration lying is patently false, then all of them are suspect. If they represent the foundation of your belief that the Administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, than your foundation is anything but sound.
For one minute consider what is required by this absurd conspiracy theory:
1) An American president was complicit, for political gains, in the deaths of some 3000 citizens (which depending upon circumstances could easily have approached 100,000).
2) That same evil bastard, despite all sorts of political set-backs, has not chosen to adopt the same vile approach since 9/11
3) You nuts know the truth and so we must conclude that so does the mainstream media and the Democrats - surely you don't think you're more clever than professionals do you? (But then of course you do because that is the attraction of conspiracy theories - believers know more about the truth than the vast majority of other people!)
4) The media that has at best shown a complete lack of political bias, and at worst a penchant for taking Bush down, has deliberately chosen not to reveal what they have dug up about the truth of 9/11
5) The Democrats, who would sell their grandmothers for a chance to unseat Bush, have chosen to not use the best weapon they might ever have against their arch-enemy.
God knows why you folks get such a kick out of this nonsense but it is just that, nonsense.
The paranoid
really believe they are under attack or else they would not be paranoid. Obviously this doesn't mean they are under attack.
Finn d'Abuzz, explain this please ?
Quote:Rumsfeld Sept 10, 2001: The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 TRILLION
CBS NEWS: The War on Waste
Watch and/or Download the CBS News Video here
http://www.whereisthemoney.org/
On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending."
More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.
"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.
He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.
"They have to cover it up," he said. "That's where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can't do the job."
The Pentagon's Inspector General "partially substantiated" several of Minnery's allegations but could not prove officials tried "to manipulate the financial statements."
Twenty years ago, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin C. Spinney made headlines exposing what he calls the "accounting games." He's still there, and although he does not speak for the Pentagon, he believes the problem has gotten worse.
"Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year," he said.
Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.
In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
Watch and/or Download the CBS News Video here
http://www.whereisthemoney.org/
Related: Reps Murtha and Moran don't even know about missing trillions!
http://benfrank.net/blog/2006/01/07/incompetent_or_traitors/
The 'blogosphere' has been talking about this story for years, and two Congressmen have never heard of it. They are shielded from info, living in a bubble, just like Bush.
This should have been a huge scandal. $2.3 Trillion dollars amounts to almost $8000 for every man, woman, and child in the US.
But look when this was announced. September 10th, 2001. Just 24 hours later, the events of 9-11 wiped this scandal from the newspapers.
Rather interesting timing, don't you think?
Zippo wrote:Rather interesting timing, don't you think?
Exactly. And evidence that the government can pull off a major job like 9/11 on short notice. 24 hours. Wow. Who would have thought?
The people that want to say its all a govt conspiracy are the same ones saying this govt is inept and corrupt and unable to do anything.
Tell me,how do they reconcile that contradiction?
They are saying that the govt is so inept that it cant handle a hurricane,that its so corrupt that it forces people to fight wars for them.
But,at the same time,this govt is able to plan,carry out,and cover up a conspiracy that would have taken hundreds of people to carry out.
How did they govt manage to keep all those people quiet?
So,is the govt inept or not?
I hope you're not adressing me, mysteryman...
old europe wrote:I hope you're not adressing me, mysteryman...
No,just throwing the question out there for everyone.
Quote:Exactly. And evidence that the government can pull off a major job like 9/11 on short notice. 24 hours. Wow. Who would have thought?
Quote:They formed the PNAC in 1997 DUH!
The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington-based
think tank created in 1997. Above all else, PNAC desires and demands one
thing: The establishment of a global American empire to bend the will of
all nations. They chafe at the idea that the United States, the last
remaining superpower, does not do more by way of economic and military
force to bring the rest of the world under the umbrella of a new
socio-economic Pax Americana.
Some people are so thick.
